HFQ Official Snippet #7

Annachie wrote:Don, problem is that that concept is completely against the CoGA teachings. The CoGA teaches that the law of god comes from the CoGA. Anything else is heresy.

Yep, that's right. But the point is that for someone like Thirsk, the church's role as interpreter of the Writ is colliding with his basic sense of right and wrong. It will be interesting to see if and how he comes to grips with dissonance that creates for him.

Don

Keith_w wrote:Despite its name, the Pacific isn't a peaceful ocean, and Lt. Bligh deserves all the accolades he received for his seamanship.

Sales marketing is common in exploration. The Cape of Good Hope was originally named Cabo das Tormentas (Cape of Tempests) by Bartolomeu Dias. John II, his King, renamed it as Cape of Good Hope to make it sound more attractive.

PeterZ wrote:

Annachie wrote:Don, problem is that that concept is completely against the CoGA teachings. The CoGA teaches that the law of god comes from the CoGA. Anything else is heresy.

Not quite. I believe RFC stated that the CoGA teaches that the Writ is infallible. The Grand Vicar is only infallible when acting in accordance to the Writ and God's will.

The Infallibility of the Grand Vicar as a concept is only three or four hundred years old. It was not established in the Writ, but rather was trotted out later. I don't remember the exact context of why, but it was discussed within the last 3 books IIRC.

wyrm wrote:

Keith_w wrote:Despite its name, the Pacific isn't a peaceful ocean, and Lt. Bligh deserves all the accolades he received for his seamanship.

Sales marketing is common in exploration. The Cape of Good Hope was originally named Cabo das Tormentas (Cape of Tempests) by Bartolomeu Dias. John II, his King, renamed it as Cape of Good Hope to make it sound more attractive.

The same thing with Iceland and Greenland.

n7axw wrote:

Annachie wrote:Don, problem is that that concept is completely against the CoGA teachings. The CoGA teaches that the law of god comes from the CoGA. Anything else is heresy.

Yep, that's right. But the point is that for someone like Thirsk, the church's role as interpreter of the Writ is colliding with his basic sense of right and wrong. It will be interesting to see if and how he comes to grips with dissonance that creates for him.

Don

Cool. The next point is then the actual conflict between thinking that the church can be fixed, and thinking that it too briken to fix.
Thirsk, and many others, seem to be in the former camp. Hoping to get through the current crisis and then fix the church, though you can see his thinking drifting to the latter camp. But of course now he's stuck.
At least until his family get removed from the situation.

I can actually see Thirsk being part of a revolt in Dholmar (?) regecting Clyntyn and the Go4, and the Church of Charis.

As for Hektor, a bump in rank is not unwarranted after a sucessful stint as flag luetenant, most of the navy that he's worked with would probably accept that he's on the fast track, and I'm suggesting posting him to the KHvii (hope I got the name right) if a ship of the class was given the name. Sure, he would have a little trouble using his extra knowledge, but it's a powerful message.

Annachie wrote:As for Hektor, a bump in rank is not unwarranted after a sucessful stint as flag luetenant, most of the navy that he's worked with would probably accept that he's on the fast track, and I'm suggesting posting him to the KHvii (hope I got the name right) if a ship of the class was given the name. Sure, he would have a little trouble using his extra knowledge, but it's a powerful message.

The name of the lead ship IS King Haarahld VII. And your point about the symbolism of assigning Hektor to it is something I hadn't thought of (but should have). The fact that Hektor held King Haarahld as he died and now he's an officer on Haarahld's namesake makes for a powerful symbol.

Continuing the theme of political symbols, I have a suggestion for naming the second flight of KHVIIs: Erayk Dynnys, Prince Nahrmahn II, and Prince Hektor I. It continues the theme of naming the ships after people who were basically murdered because Clyntahn wanted them dead for political reasons.

jms

jmseeley wrote:

Annachie wrote:As for Hektor, a bump in rank is not unwarranted after a sucessful stint as flag luetenant, most of the navy that he's worked with would probably accept that he's on the fast track, and I'm suggesting posting him to the KHvii (hope I got the name right) if a ship of the class was given the name. Sure, he would have a little trouble using his extra knowledge, but it's a powerful message.

The name of the lead ship IS King Haarahld VII. And your point about the symbolism of assigning Hektor to it is something I hadn't thought of (but should have). The fact that Hektor held King Haarahld as he died and now he's an officer on Haarahld's namesake makes for a powerful symbol.

Continuing the theme of political symbols, I have a suggestion for naming the second flight of KHVIIs: Erayk Dynnys, Prince Nahrmahn II, and Prince Hektor I. It continues the theme of naming the ships after people who were basically murdered because Clyntahn wanted them dead for political reasons.

jms

I had suggested in another post

HMS Earl of Gray Harbor
HMS Prince of Emerald
HMS Prince of Corsandien

Also most ships named after nobles are named for their titles or something of a sorbraqua or if the person is still alive there office eg

HMS Prince of Wales
HMS Iron Duke
HMS Princess Royal
HMS Black Prince
HMS Duke of York

Each wonderful snippet makes me want the book NOW . But will have to wait till it comes out

Thrisk---Again-

Recall when Duchairn was trying to get his nerve up to protest Clytahn's murders of the reformist vicars and their families?
He didn't because he knew that not only would it get him killed, but that his entire family would be tortured and then murdered.
Thrisk knows that the Grand Inquisitor ordered those atrocities. He likely knows that any remaining family of the Desnairian Naval command (that didn't flee) was gathered to Zion for the Punishment.

I do not blame him for wanting to spare his daughters having to watch their children tortured and murdered. I do not blame him for wanting to spare he and his wife being forced to watch those murders- followed by the torture and murders of his own children. Followed by their own torture and death.
It's one thing to sacrifice self- another to condemn your children to death--- after they watch the torture and death of their children.