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Re: Broadsheets and Subversion
Post by Annachie   » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:28 am

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Water power, and wind power, have a specific aplication that probably tipped things in their favour. Grinding flour.
(I suspect that water power is also used in pumping but only remember wind and muscle powered pumps being mentioned)

Remove grinding and your food availability goes way down.
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Re: Broadsheets and Subversion
Post by DrakBibliophile   » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:36 am

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True and Langhorne (or others) may have seen advantages in allowing the printing press. IE Printing the Writ for use by clergy and others, easier to print doctrinal statements to clergy worldwide as well as to educated secular rulers, etc.

Of course, if Langhorne really wanted to "mess things up", he could have banned alphabetic writing systems in favor of something like the Chinese writing system. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Annachie wrote:Water power, and wind power, have a specific aplication that probably tipped things in their favour. Grinding flour.
(I suspect that water power is also used in pumping but only remember wind and muscle powered pumps being mentioned)

Remove grinding and your food availability goes way down.
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Re: Broadsheets and Subversion
Post by kbus888   » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:10 am

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Wasn't the one who tried to assassinate Sharley in Corisande (Patryk Hainree, I think was his name) someone who used to work in a printing shop??

If I remember correctly, he was described as using moveable type too.

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Annachie wrote:It strikes me that printing pressed shouldn't exist. At least anything that even hints of movable type anyway.
I would expect that that is one technology that Langhorne would have wanted to keep a lid on. Easy printing means easy information dispersial, but in the hands of any body. I would have expected Langhorne to keep information dispersal well and truely in house. Ie: in the hand of the church, and monastaries devoted to hand copying the writ etc.
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Re: Broadsheets and Subversion
Post by DrakBibliophile   » Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:39 pm

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IIRC he wasn't originally a printer but did learn to print using moveable type.

On the other hand, Annachie is wondering why Langhorne allowed the printing press to exist or didn't ban its development.


kbus888 wrote:=2014/09/30=
Wasn't the one who tried to assassinate Sharley in Corisande (Patryk Hainree, I think was his name) someone who used to work in a printing shop??

If I remember correctly, he was described as using moveable type too.

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Annachie wrote:It strikes me that printing pressed shouldn't exist. At least anything that even hints of movable type anyway.
I would expect that that is one technology that Langhorne would have wanted to keep a lid on. Easy printing means easy information dispersial, but in the hands of any body. I would have expected Langhorne to keep information dispersal well and truely in house. Ie: in the hand of the church, and monastaries devoted to hand copying the writ etc.
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Re: Broadsheets and Subversion
Post by SWM   » Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:37 pm

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Langhorne wanted people to have the best quality of life possible within the technological constraints he perceived necessary. He wasn't trying to knock people back to bare subsistence levels. He wanted them healthy, well-fed, and educated. He gave them the very best possible medical and agricultural knowledge he could. He required everyone to be given a minimum level of education (which unfortunately has not been maintained everywhere).

I imagine that Langhorne felt that water mills and printing presses were necessary for the quality of life he wanted for Safehold. That might be seen as a potential weakness in his plan to keep Safehold stagnant, but it was a flaw he was unable to avoid without reducing humanity far below what he considered acceptable.
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Re: Broadsheets and Subversion
Post by Duckk   » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:05 pm

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Let's take a quick field trip:

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...Everyone back? No one got stuck in a cardboard box and mailed to Antarctica?

The Church needs to disseminate its knowledge on a massive scale with no deviations. As Nimue noted back in OAR, every scrap of documentation is consistent with everything else. A literate population is one that can go study the Testimonies for themselves. Any Safeholdian skeptic can read for themselves all this documented proof of the existence of the Archangels and the supremacy of the Church of God Awaiting. It's another link in the chain which keeps humanity bound in ignorance. But in order for that to work, you need a population which can read, and you can't teach literacy without anything to read. On the scale of the population of Safehold, that means you need to produce literal tons of material, and to do that efficiently means a printing press.

Could it be abused by insurgents? Sure. Anything can be abused. But prior to Merlin, there was really no way to get it widely distributed. Any propaganda would be local, and any attempt to broadcast it would run afoul with the omnipresence of the Inquisition.
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Re: Broadsheets and Subversion
Post by Annachie   » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:45 pm

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Oh Aye. But the trade off between the mystical copying alter in the temple, verses engraved plate, verses movable type.

Forgot about that assassin. He was a silversmith originally wasn't he.
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Re: Broadsheets and Subversion
Post by saber964   » Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:15 pm

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The biggest reason why Gutenberg printed the bible first was to get the Church on his side. At the time most monasteries and convents were actually scriptoriums, hand copying religious works by hand. How long do you think it would take a person to copy a single book by hand with zero mistakes of any kind. Books were extremely rare and very expensive.
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Re: Broadsheets and Subversion
Post by Ramhawkfan   » Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:34 pm

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Annachie wrote:Oh Aye. But the trade off between the mystical copying alter in the temple, verses engraved plate, verses movable type.

Forgot about that assassin. He was a silversmith originally wasn't he.


Yes he was.
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Re: Broadsheets and Subversion
Post by SYED   » Wed Oct 01, 2014 12:52 am

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I am wondering if they have type writers, and what would happen if they were introduced. it will sneak in and lead to great change evenually.
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