Dairnyth Spoiler!!

Dairnyth has been presented as a final (well, sort of ) objective for one of our armies. I think I'm missing something here. I think it has the following advantages:
1. It anchors the western end of the Dairnyth-Alysberg Canal which could serve as a supply line and/or a defensive line agaiinst on of the Harchongese hordes.Don't know enough about the topography to feel real good about that.

2. It supplies a naval base at the the end of the Bay of Bess. THis might be useful for supplies (awful long way though), or use by the Navy as a base to strengthen the interdiction of people,supplies and communications across the Bay.

3.The Fairmyn River could provide an path northward. It also could provide a path southward ton the Harchongese.

What else am I missing? Comments and thoughts from more strategic minds than mine will be greatly appreciated!

EdThomas wrote:Dairnyth has been presented as a final (well, sort of ) objective for one of our armies. I think I'm missing something here. I think it has the following advantages:
1. It anchors the western end of the Dairnyth-Alysberg Canal which could serve as a supply line and/or a defensive line agaiinst on of the Harchongese hordes.Don't know enough about the topography to feel real good about that.

2. It supplies a naval base at the the end of the Bay of Bess. THis might be useful for supplies (awful long way though), or use by the Navy as a base to strengthen the interdiction of people,supplies and communications across the Bay.

3.The Fairmyn River could provide an path northward. It also could provide a path southward ton the Harchongese.

What else am I missing? Comments and thoughts from more strategic minds than mine will be greatly appreciated!

I think the Harchong Army (or a portion of it) will pass through Dairnyth before they meet with the ICA. However I think the ICN will have visited first and burned out the Logistics base and supplies. The River Boats are due to make their presence known and impact everything from Bay of Bess to Salthar Bay

I believe Dairnyth is key to supplying the ICN squadrons operating in the Gulf of Tanshar. There are two rivers emptying into that Gulf connected to the Bedard canal. If the ICN can use Dairnyth to supply its Tanshar squadrons, they can eliminate all coastal shipping supplying the GHoGatAA through those rivers. That will leave the GHoGatAA only that area relatively near the Bedard Canal as a source of supply. Supplies that might be shipped in from father away via coasters will no longer be available to the Grand Host.

Add to that the ICN interdiction of the Harchong Narrows using the Claw Island squadrons and almost all of Harchong is removed from the Grand Host's sources of supply. This assumes river class boats will roam Hsing-wu's Passage after the ice melts.

Will the Temple Lands be able to support the entire war on its own? I doubt it. So, if Eastshare makes it to Dairnyth and secures the Dairnyth-Alyksberg Canal and the Seridahn river all the way to Thesmar, the ICN can begin stangling the GHoGatAA. That will add more strain on the Temple Lands as more and more of the direct support for the War falls on them. I can't imagine a more powerful inducement for that horde of self-centered clergy to back a putsch led by Duchairn.

That city, also gives logistics to any force attempting to control or take the langhorn canal from that end. If the canal is seized or just messed with, neither the church or even harchong could stop the republic from taking the border states. What me they had were already sent to fight, and their armories drained for the harchong force.

Hi PeterZ,

Minor nit: I think you mean the Mighty Host of God and the Archangels, or MHoGatA; not GHoGatAA for which G means Grand and the AA ArchAngels.

Maybe that's the title of the next Harchong army.

L

PeterZ wrote:I believe Dairnyth is key to supplying the ICN squadrons operating in the Gulf of Tanshar. There are two rivers emptying into that Gulf connected to the Bedard canal. If the ICN can use Dairnyth to supply its Tanshar squadrons, they can eliminate all coastal shipping supplying the GHoGatAA through those rivers. That will leave the GHoGatAA only that area relatively near the Bedard Canal as a source of supply. Supplies that might be shipped in from father away via coasters will no longer be available to the Grand Host.

Add to that the ICN interdiction of the Harchong Narrows using the Claw Island squadrons and almost all of Harchong is removed from the Grand Host's sources of supply. This assumes river class boats will roam Hsing-wu's Passage after the ice melts.

Will the Temple Lands be able to support the entire war on its own? I doubt it. So, if Eastshare makes it to Dairnyth and secures the Dairnyth-Alyksberg Canal and the Seridahn river all the way to Thesmar, the ICN can begin stangling the GHoGatAA. That will add more strain on the Temple Lands as more and more of the direct support for the War falls on them. I can't imagine a more powerful inducement for that horde of self-centered clergy to back a putsch led by Duchairn.

Well tGHoGatA could mean simply mean Angels rather that Archangels. That however smacks of sophistry. So I stand corrected.

If there are no serious objections, I propose the large collection of soldiers of Harchongese descent, spending the winter in the Duchy of Gwynt on the Bedard Canal, be referred to as the MHoG (pronounced emmhahwg).
There do not seem to be any water routes down to Dohlar from the Bedard/Langhorne until you get over to the Daivyn. Temple Boys have shown a preference for water routes. Any attempt to get south to Dohlar will be a novel cross-country movement, which might present Lord Highmount some interesting possibilities.

Hi Ed Thomas,

Actually the Sabana River evidently connects the Bedard Canal to the Gulf of Dohlar.

However using Go4 galleons to transport them the short distance to Dairnyth wouldn't be worth the trouble, due to more time spent loading and unloading than ~4 days travel.

We have no textev even from the snippets that Thirsk plans on escorting any to Silkiah or anywhere else, partly because Silkiah doesn't appear to be threatened by the alliance [what the Go4 don't know will hurt them] yet.

Assuming the MHoGatA can march 40 miles per day the overland distance to Dairnyth from the nearest south end of the Sabana River is almost 800 miles, or 20 days marching, if there's a coastal high road which seems likely to me..

L

EdThomas wrote:If there are no serious objections, I propose the large collection of soldiers of Harchongese descent, spending the winter in the Duchy of Gwynt on the Bedard Canal, be referred to as the MHoG (pronounced emmhahwg).
There do not seem to be any water routes down to Dohlar from the Bedard/Langhorne until you get over to the Daivyn. Temple Boys have shown a preference for water routes. Any attempt to get south to Dohlar will be a novel cross-country movement, which might present Lord Highmount some interesting possibilities.

lyonheart wrote:Hi Ed Thomas,

Actually the Sabana River evidently connects the Bedard Canal to the Gulf of Dohlar.

However using Go4 galleons to transport them the short distance to Dairnyth wouldn't be worth the trouble, due to more time spent loading and unloading than ~4 days travel.

We have no textev even from the snippets that Thirsk plans on escorting any to Silkiah or anywhere else, partly because Silkiah doesn't appear to be threatened by the alliance [what the Go4 don't know will hurt them] yet.

Assuming the MHoGatA can march 40 miles per day the overland distance to Dairnyth from the nearest south end of the Sabana River is almost 800 miles, or 20 days marching, if there's a coastal high road which seems likely to me..

L

Hi L,
Yup, movement down the Sabana and overland to Dairnyth looks to be a viable approach for the MHoG as long as the ICN doesn't appear in the Gulf of Tanshar and Bay of Bess. Even if there weren't a coastal Great highway, which I agree is likely to be there, movement along the coast could be supplied by small coasting vessels. MHoG cavalry should be able to prevent any serious interdiction of the route by Mounted Infantry.

DE, IMHO, is the most likely to reach Dairnyth. If he can get enough artillery and ammunition into Dairnyth before the MHoG arrives, it might be just be the entrenched position upon which the MHoG grinds itself to a bloody destruction. If he cannot create a meat grinder there, we'll have to wait until the MHoG gets further east.

The arrival of the ICN the Gulf of Tanshar and the Bay of Bess makes the survival of the southern segment of the MHoG a much dicier proposition since their coastal supply route is vulnerable to naval (gunfire and/or marine operations) interdiction.

THe crystal ball gets pretty fuzzy here. I expect the Armies of Midhold and Cliff Peak are going to throw a monkey wrench into whatever plans Magwair and Duchairn have for the MHoG. Just as we're projecting a coastal highway from the Sabana into Dairnyth I think we'd also project the existence of a similar great highway south from Dairnyth into the heart of Dohlar. We might even find ourselves with whatever's left of the Dohlaran Army being joined by the MHoG.

THis is going to be a very interesting book!!

I don't believe Dairnyth has the highway leading into Dohlar. I believe those highways connect whatever city lies at the mouth of the Angel river to Gorath and the Duchy of Thorast. Lyonheart's point elsewhere that Dairnyth was not part of Dohlar argues against easy invasion routes as well as competing port cities.

I am not sure I agree that there is indeed a highway along the Bay of Bess into Dairnyth. If there was one, why was it not used to move the GHoG into Dairnyth to eventually reinforce Kaitswyrth? He got hammered mid summer and no portion of the GHoG was directed to support him. Supply issues or carrying capacity limits could be the driving factor. It could also be that no one wanted to shoulder the expense of a major highway so close to the sea where transport costs were much lower.

There are certainly roads along the coast. I just doubt there is a major highway/highroad that runs along that coast connecting the port towns on the Bay of Bess and the Gulf of Tanshar to Dairnyth.