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Re: Dynamite cannons
Post by Potato   » Wed Sep 17, 2014 8:39 am

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You would be right, if we are talking about two technologically comparable forces. But the fact is, that rifled breechloaders of 1890th type are virtually impossible for Church to obtain in near future.


Just like it would be impossible for the Church to develop a breechloading rifle in anything less than 2 years? We all saw how well that worked out.

So, against the CHURCH fortification, pneumatic guns wouldn't be "outdated" for decades. And they are REALLY powerfull. One 380 mm shell from the dynamite gun contain more explosive than ten ordinary artillery shells. And the pneumatic gun is much cheaper, easy to produce, and could be placed virtually on anything.


http://www.spanamwar.com/dynamite.htm

However, the disadvantages were greater. Because of the slow muzzle velocity, high gun tube elevation was required unless fired at very short range. The projectile itself had a tendency to be deflected by the wind, limiting the accurate range of the gun. It was not reliable at ranges over 900 yards, which was somewhat limiting. The gun was reported to jam easily, and required several hours work after a few shots before it could be fired again.

The dynamite explosive lacked the shattering power of a standard projectile, and was also sensitive to freezing and bullet impact. The projectiles were fragile and had an usual fuze which frequently would not detonate. The fuze consisted of a steel ball that impacted a series of percussion primers when the projectile hit the target. The projectile was armed in flight when an impeller unscrewed the end of the fuze, freeing the ball. The system, when it operated correctly, created an unnerving six or seven second delay between impact and explosion.


http://www.heliograph.com/trmgs/trmgs1/dynamite.shtml

What finally made the dynamite gun obsolete was the development of new high explosives, such as ammonium picrate, in the late 1890's. These new explosives could be fired from conventional cannon, and in combination with armor-piercing shells were an effective weapon versus armored warships. A dynamite gun was as expensive to construct as a 10 or 12-inch shore defense battery, but had a shorter range and was more expensive and complex to maintain. Moreover, the increasing range of ship-mounted weapons meant that an invading navy's guns would out range the dynamite gun and so could destroy it from a distance with impunity. As a result, dynamite guns were no longer useful and so were scrapped.
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Re: Dynamite cannons
Post by Dilandu   » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:05 am

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Just like it would be impossible for the Church to develop a breechloading rifle in anything less than 2 years? We all saw how well that worked out.


Yes, it's impossible/ We are talking about a GUN. There are only seven or eight nation on Earth in 1900, that could build a 305-mm naval gun.
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Re: Dynamite cannons
Post by Potato   » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:16 am

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So? The Church and Temple Loyalists still comprise some 70% of Safehold. They have plenty of manufacturies which can churn out copies. They cannot match Charis in sophistication, but have done very well by throwing bodies at a problem. Breechloaders. Explosive shells. Angle guns. Ironclads. All these and more the Church has quickly copied or developed comparable analogs.
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Re: Dynamite cannons
Post by Dilandu   » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:56 am

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Potato wrote:So? The Church and Temple Loyalists still comprise some 70% of Safehold. They have plenty of manufacturies which can churn out copies. They cannot match Charis in sophistication, but have done very well by throwing bodies at a problem. Breechloaders. Explosive shells. Angle guns. Ironclads. All these and more the Church has quickly copied or developed comparable analogs.

So it wouldn't work. Simply wouldn't. The tiegel production of gun-quality metal is sophisticated process, that required a great accuracy and chemical, physical and mechanical technology way above Church level. Simply "put more workforce on that" wouldn't work: the guns would explode, and the manufacturers would simply be unable to understand why.
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Oh well, if shortening the front is what the Germans crave,
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Re: Dynamite cannons
Post by lyonheart   » Wed Sep 17, 2014 2:16 pm

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Hi Pokermind,

Unfortunately, the pneumatic guns of USS Vesuvius were, and scrapped after actual war experience rather short ranged.

While the land model worked, it used an explosive charge to push the piston, hardly a propellant saving solution; meanwhile the effort for Charis when it's about to introduce high explosive shells this year seems unwarranted, though I wouldn't be surprised that 'dynamite guns' might be used when the alliance lands at Port Home. :D

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pokermind wrote:Hmm, another useful adjunct to pneumatic guns is a way to power other useful things without dangerous live steam lines. Things like winches, turret motors, and ammunition elevators. Conventional small 'steam engines' can be powered by air with out the need of multiple boilers. Not to mention filling scuba air tanks for the sappers mentioned in Teeny-Tiny HFQ Snippet #2.

And after the war pneumatic pumpkin throwing contests :lol:

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