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Re: Scottish Independance, anyone?
Post by Arol   » Fri Jul 04, 2014 3:02 pm

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Michael Riddell wrote:We get lumped in with the nuts just because we live up here with them.Mike.

To paraphrase:
“You can pick your friends but you can’t pick your countrymen!” :(
Guilt by association really sucks, mate! :cry:
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Re: Scottish Independance, anyone?
Post by Michael Riddell   » Sat Jul 05, 2014 10:17 am

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Arol wrote:To paraphrase:
“You can pick your friends but you can’t pick your countrymen!” :(
Guilt by association really sucks, mate! :cry:


Meh!

Tell me about it! There are retards in any genepool...

Now onto something a bit more lighthearted:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-28088409

Mike. :)
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Re: Scottish Independance, anyone?
Post by Arol   » Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:35 pm

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The referendum is less then 2 months away, so what's the feeling and talk on the streets Michael? :?:
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Re: Scottish Independance, anyone?
Post by Michael Riddell   » Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:13 pm

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Pretty quiet at the moment. There's currently a partial truce whilst the Commonwealth Games are on.

Mike. :)
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Re: Scottish Independance, anyone?
Post by Donnachaidh   » Sun Sep 14, 2014 4:33 pm

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I don't know enough to have an opinion and even if I did, it's not my country or my home so it wouldn't matter.

But it is my opinion that this is funny:

Willie's Views On Scottish Independence | THE SIMPSONS | ANIMATION on FOX
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"Sometimes I wonder if the world is run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
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Re: Scottish Independance, anyone?
Post by biochem   » Sun Sep 14, 2014 9:14 pm

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Not my country wither but since you guys have opinions of USA politics, turnabout is fair play. :twisted:

Anyway, based on what I've been reading in the UK press, there hasn't been a lot of thought put into exactly how to implement the separation, what to write for a constitution, what to do for a military etc etc. You know all those pesky details involved in having a country. So either Scotland needs to vote no on independence or get serious fast on country building 101. The devil is in the details in these sorts of things and that can make post-indepence reality very different from what the idealists imagine. Everyone in the independence movement has their own mental picture of what the newly independent Scotland should look like but those images don't agree with each other. And as best as I can tell from the media reports, to date precious little effort has gone into reconciling those views.

If the vote is for independence, it's too early for me to see how it will work out. It all depends on whether the key players in Scotland can sit down, act like grownups and do it quickly. If Scotland manages to get a bunch of politicians to act like grownups, they are certainly doing better than most of the rest of the western world.
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Re: Scottish Independance, anyone?
Post by Tenshinai   » Mon Sep 15, 2014 12:28 am

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what to write for a constitution, what to do for a military etc etc. You know all those pesky details involved in having a country.


Hah, yanks are so obsessed with useless pieces of paper(as proven by how much use of lawyers there is to "interpret" your own one, despite how even just language drift has made the original writings almost irrelevant).

If there´s a yes vote, lack of a constitution is NOT likely to be an issue.
And separation issues has been discussed a fair amount.

The devil is in the details in these sorts of things and that can make post-indepence reality very different from what the idealists imagine.


Which is exactly why you do not make the initial legislation into holy writ.
A nation needs to be able to change.



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Donnachaidh wrote:I don't know enough to have an opinion and even if I did, it's not my country or my home so it wouldn't matter.

But it is my opinion that this is funny:

Willie's Views On Scottish Independence | THE SIMPSONS | ANIMATION on FOX


:lol:

And of course it might matter to you.
Nations does not exist in a vacuum.
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Re: Scottish Independance, anyone?
Post by Michael Riddell   » Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:02 am

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biochem wrote:Not my country wither but since you guys have opinions of USA politics, turnabout is fair play. :twisted:

Anyway, based on what I've been reading in the UK press, there hasn't been a lot of thought put into exactly how to implement the separation, what to write for a constitution, what to do for a military etc etc. You know all those pesky details involved in having a country. So either Scotland needs to vote no on independence or get serious fast on country building 101. The devil is in the details in these sorts of things and that can make post-indepence reality very different from what the idealists imagine. Everyone in the independence movement has their own mental picture of what the newly independent Scotland should look like but those images don't agree with each other. And as best as I can tell from the media reports, to date precious little effort has gone into reconciling those views.

If the vote is for independence, it's too early for me to see how it will work out. It all depends on whether the key players in Scotland can sit down, act like grownups and do it quickly. If Scotland manages to get a bunch of politicians to act like grownups, they are certainly doing better than most of the rest of the western world.


Heh, believe me there's plenty going on. At the moment the polls are indicating a current average of 49% Yes and 51% No vote, so it's going to be close either way.

Quebec 1995 springs to mind, there's plenty of parallels. Hopefully we don't get any rioting afterword though, but an awful lot of the Yes campaigners are a bit... "passionate", shall we say. As a No voter, I think I now have an idea how a Jew felt in Nazi Germany. :evil:

We'll see.

For info, here's all 670 pages of the SNP's white paper detailing it's vision of an independent Scotland:

http://82.113.138.107/00439021.pdf

I haven't read all of it, but I can see a fair few problems and holes in it.

For those outside the UK, here's what the SNP have to say on international and defence policy:

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2013/11/9348/10

The defence policy in particular is too ambitious as far as I'm concerned.

Anyway, we'll see what the result is on Friday. I make no bones about it, as I wrote above, I'm a No voter. I don't think that the SNP have covered all the bases, and my gut feeling says the time isn't right. The way that the debate has gone, the current UK will cease to exist, regardless of a yes or no vote. The constitutional consequences are immense and Michael Everett's post in the other thread highlights that many south of the border are, rightly, fed up with Scotland's shenanigans and it's privileged funding position.

Mike.
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Re: Scottish Independance, anyone?
Post by Daryl   » Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:17 am

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My view from the other side of the world is that the best possible outcome at this stage is that the No vote gets up, but London takes note of the underlying reasons for the dissatisfaction and moves to correct it.

Mind you I'd not mention any opinion in a Glasgow bar late on a Saturday night.
I've got quite a few friends and relatives in the highlands and love visiting them there. One's a gamekeeper so we have access to a large estate, love tramping over the glen, glorious country.

Good people & I wish them well with whatever happens.
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Re: Scottish Independance, anyone?
Post by biochem   » Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:42 am

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My view from the other side of the world is that the best possible outcome at this stage is that the No vote gets up, but London takes note of the underlying reasons for the dissatisfaction and moves to correct it.


I tend to agree with this, although that would require the politicians in London to act like grownups. Most of them seem more interested in posturing and producing sound bites that sound good than in actually working hard to fix complex problems.
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