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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #5
Post by cralkhi   » Sat Sep 13, 2014 3:15 am

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Peter2 wrote: I cannot believe that they have spent 800 years or so doing nothing besides maintaining their cover. Can anyone remember any mention of mysterious deaths, disappearances, or other unexplained events in any of the books for which they might possibly have been responsible?


As I've said before - gunpowder. That is really an anomaly. On Earth it was stumbled on as part of an alchemical tradition, but with the books of Pasquale and so on, there wouldn't have been anything like that on Safehold. And it took a long, long time to go from the invention of gunpowder to guns even as good as the OAR guns, primitive as they are. Its happening faster on non-innovative Safehold just doesn't make sense... without some kind of intervention.
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #5
Post by Randomiser   » Sat Sep 13, 2014 4:36 am

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We have no evidence whatsoever that the SSK have any technical knowledge plus the WAtF was fought entirely with muscle-powered weapons as far as we know (Rakurai excepted, obviously) so no evidence Khody knew of gunpowder either. I can't see any possible connection other than wishful thinking.


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Peter2 wrote: I cannot believe that they have spent 800 years or so doing nothing besides maintaining their cover. Can anyone remember any mention of mysterious deaths, disappearances, or other unexplained events in any of the books for which they might possibly have been responsible?


As I've said before - gunpowder. That is really an anomaly. On Earth it was stumbled on as part of an alchemical tradition, but with the books of Pasquale and so on, there wouldn't have been anything like that on Safehold. And it took a long, long time to go from the invention of gunpowder to guns even as good as the OAR guns, primitive as they are. Its happening faster on non-innovative Safehold just doesn't make sense... without some kind of intervention.
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #5
Post by alj_sf   » Sat Sep 13, 2014 7:52 am

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cralkhi wrote:
Peter2 wrote: I cannot believe that they have spent 800 years or so doing nothing besides maintaining their cover. Can anyone remember any mention of mysterious deaths, disappearances, or other unexplained events in any of the books for which they might possibly have been responsible?


As I've said before - gunpowder. That is really an anomaly. On Earth it was stumbled on as part of an alchemical tradition, but with the books of Pasquale and so on, there wouldn't have been anything like that on Safehold. And it took a long, long time to go from the invention of gunpowder to guns even as good as the OAR guns, primitive as they are. Its happening faster on non-innovative Safehold just doesn't make sense... without some kind of intervention.


They have good metallurgy if recipe based, they have good knowledge of a lot of pratical things and a cottage industry that exploit that knowledge. So once gunpowder is invented and okeyed by the Church, this is not really
astonishing that pratical softbores were made.

I agree that gunpowder invention itself is a bit more perplexing, especially as it is not something you are likely to stumble upon only per chance. Depending on which fertilizers are described by Pasquale, there may be a path, but it seems a stretch.

In fact, if it comes from the fertilizer path, I would have expected Ammonium nitrates based explosives to have beed discovered first, as it is a very good and easy to prepare fertilizer.
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #5
Post by pokermind   » Sat Sep 13, 2014 8:12 am

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Perhaps another 'time capsule' A'la something like the Knowles revaluation. Poor Langhorne's faction they thought they had all their bases covered, ah but human cunning comes through, again, Oopsie!

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cralkhi wrote:

quote Peter2:

I cannot believe that they have spent 800 years or so doing nothing besides maintaining their cover. Can anyone remember any mention of mysterious deaths, disappearances, or other unexplained events in any of the books for which they might possibly have been responsible?

As I've said before - gunpowder. That is really an anomaly. On Earth it was stumbled on as part of an alchemical tradition, but with the books of Pasquale and so on, there wouldn't have been anything like that on Safehold. And it took a long, long time to go from the invention of gunpowder to guns even as good as the OAR guns, primitive as they are. Its happening faster on non-innovative Safehold just doesn't make sense... without some kind of intervention.


They have good metallurgy if recipe based, they have good knowledge of a lot of pratical things and a cottage industry that exploit that knowledge. So once gunpowder is invented and okeyed by the Church, this is not really
astonishing that pratical softbores were made.

I agree that gunpowder invention itself is a bit more perplexing, especially as it is not something you are likely to stumble upon only per chance. Depending on which fertilizers are described by Pasquale, there may be a path, but it seems a stretch.

In fact, if it comes from the fertilizer path, I would have expected Ammonium nitrates based explosives to have beed discovered first, as it is a very good and easy to prepare fertilizer.
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #5
Post by Tanstaafl   » Sat Sep 13, 2014 8:29 am

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n7axw wrote:I wonder if we will have even more Nynians waiting in the wings with still more perspectives. Ineresting thought, anyway...

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I think there are a few other Nynians and secret societies on Safehold. But I doubt they will appear in this story arc in the Books by the MWW.
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #5
Post by evilauthor   » Sat Sep 13, 2014 8:57 am

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Tanstaafl wrote:I think there are a few other Nynians and secret societies on Safehold. But I doubt they will appear in this story arc in the Books by the MWW.


Yeah, the only way they'd appear is if they bring something special to the table. Unfortunately, with Nynian, all the bases seem to be covered.

There's the hypothetical Siddarmark group, but Siddarmark is already allied with Charis so there's no need for any such group to out themselves.
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #5
Post by n7axw   » Sat Sep 13, 2014 5:13 pm

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evilauthor wrote:
Tanstaafl wrote:I think there are a few other Nynians and secret societies on Safehold. But I doubt they will appear in this story arc in the Books by the MWW.


Yeah, the only way they'd appear is if they bring something special to the table. Unfortunately, with Nynian, all the bases seem to be covered.

There's the hypothetical Siddarmark group, but Siddarmark is already allied with Charis so there's no need for any such group to out themselves.


Maybe they are buried in...of all places...Harchong! Wouldn't that be an unlikely way for our devious author to surprise us... :twisted:

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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #5
Post by SYED   » Sat Sep 13, 2014 7:43 pm

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I am wonderinf what other secrets the sister hood has gathered over the yaers. THey are deeply suspicious of the church due to their history, so i bet when every something was altered or changed by the church, they would record and possibly keep a copy just in case. probally stashed and sealed away until the time is deemed right. They might even have an unaltered books of the angels, seigin, adams and eves and other saints.
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #5
Post by dwileye13   » Sun Sep 14, 2014 12:29 pm

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n7axw wrote:There are a couple of things to note here. First of all, Nynian's story is at best fragmented, at least as we have it so far. It will be interesting to see if the next snippet fills in more detail or goes on to a new subject.
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At this point I expect we will get a tidbit from Hanth or Green Valley. RFC has given us tooooo much to chew on and needs to clear our literary palette. Any resolution is not to be anticipated
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #5
Post by Brog   » Mon Sep 15, 2014 4:11 am

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evilauthor wrote:
There's the hypothetical Siddarmark group, but Siddarmark is already allied with Charis so there's no need for any such group to out themselves.


Well the 'hypothetical Siddarmark group' can still play a role once the truth about the Archangel is out.

Right now they are mainly fighting against the Mother Church leadership, they still have to fight the belief system that Langhorne has built up once the Go4 is defeated.

Maybe the 'hypothetical Siddarmark group' has been preparing the people of Siddarmark for that day (similar like how Knowles's group was preparing the Charisian rulers), afterall, somehow the people of Siddermark has accepted and adopted a 'republic' form of government, maybe some group was responbility for this?
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