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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #5
Post by lyonheart   » Thu Sep 11, 2014 8:27 pm

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Hi Don,

Quite right. :D

Unfortunately PeterZ, Shan-wei couldn't restore the Adams ans Eves previous memories [in part because she didn't have access to them, if they were even kept by Bedard], but she could reeducate them, but not return their original personalities, so while the 'demon' could provide some new facts or reeducate Khody, he couldn't restore his memories, but might have supplied Spanish as a secret language they could both use, as others have suggested.

So most of your theory below falls apart, I'm afraid.

But how many really doubt the sisterhood won't come on board, providing another considerable force to beat Clyntahn? :lol:

Could the sisterhood be what Hauwerd's note offered Rhobair? ;)

Should we have a thread to list the questions we expect answered in the next snippet? 8-)

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PeterZ wrote:I wonder who fought and then freed Khody? That seems important but elegantly not emphasized.

If Khody was a low level crew member who chose to live simply as a colonist, he might have received a less severe re-education program. IIRC, RFC mentioned that choice was available for crew that wished to live outside the tech enclaves. He might still have kept skills like martial arts and modern weapons knowledge. It is unlikely that he was given Spanish by those that re-educated him. How did he learn/retain Spanish?

If Khdoy was an Adam, he might have received NEAT training for combat. He still would not have been given Spanish. I doubt Sphanish was a combat language because it would have been referenced reverantly as some sot of holy tounge. Nynina never did that. She referenced Espanol as some sort of curiousity not an awe inspiring gift.

Also, Spanish would have raised many questions regarding the central genesis of man. If God created man, then surely He would have given man the optimal means of cimmunication? If there are more than one equally good means of communication, would that not imply that man was created to live in many diverse ways and think many diverse thoughts? Such beliefs would weaken the CoGA position that there is one true plan and way to live.

The notion that Khody was given Spanish by the demon that beat him and then spared him seems more and more likely, if Khody had no memory of his life prior to Safehold. Let us suppose for this post that Khody's demon knew him in his prior life. This works whether Khody remembers his prior life or not.

The demon might have had his memories returned to him or was part of the crew and kept his/her memories. For most colonists, their memories were lost. Suppose Dr. Proctor or someone else copied selected personalities of the colonists and saved them. Maybe that individual had all the colonists memories, but could not give them to all the colonists. It suffices that some memories were saved and returned to their owners. How selective this process is was open to speculation.

Now, let us suppose that Khody's demon knew him from pre-Safehold. Let us further suppose that Khody was related to this individual. It is through that relationship that this demon spent the time and effort trying to reach his/her lost friend/family member. So, if Khody was an Adam or crew that was re-educated, this demon gave him back some skills of his prior life including Spanish. If Khody was crew trying to live as a colonists, the individual he was defeated by offered arguments that persuaded him away from Scheuler and Chihiro and might well have planted fast growing seeds of doubt.

What matters most is that along with Spanish, Khody's demon planted supporting evidence that the SSK revere highly. If they learned to read Spnaish or believe Merlin's translation, even the most pro Writ will have their faith shaken to the core. Whatever Khody's demon told him will be as perusasive to the Sisterhood as it was to him, expecially after Jeremy Knowles letter and the documents he saved is revealed to the SSK leadership.

That's why I emphasize the verifier. It is essential for these characters to consider the facts available to them as truth and then to make heir minds about what to do about that truth. Presented any other way will turn the process of the Great Reveal into an argument by authority writ large. The archangels infallibility or that perception must be severely degraded and the ideas must be cosidered in their merrits. That's the potential Khody's diary represents.


I hate to say it Peter but this is really, really getting to be a s-t-r-e-t-c-h...

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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #5
Post by AncientMariner   » Thu Sep 11, 2014 10:11 pm

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[quote="lyonheart"

Could the sisterhood be what Hauwerd's note offered Rhobair?
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I read this and my brain exploded! I'm loving the wild speculation in this thread :P !
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #5
Post by Annachie   » Fri Sep 12, 2014 1:41 am

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Should we have a thread to list the questions we expect answered in the next snippet? 8-)

That's going to be a really short list. Hope, now that'd be a list.
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #5
Post by PeterZ   » Fri Sep 12, 2014 6:41 am

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Lyonheart and Don,

I tend to agree that the lost memories of the colonists could not be restored. That could simply mean Khody was a crew member living as a colonist. RFC did mention that the crew had that option. It might require a bout of reprogramming as a condition. In that circumstance a copy of the original memory and personality might have been saved. I would agree with assertions that this is not likely, simply possible. Being given Spanish or prior memories are equally unlikely.

More likely is that Khody was a minor crew member told some lie about Shan-wei. He was minor enough to be sent to live as a colonist. Given his proclivities as described in the stories about him, he might have volunteered for such deployment. Under this scenario the demon could be an old friend that agreed with Shan-wei. That friend took the effort to subdue Khody and presented him with persuasive arguments.

I wonder who that demon was. My intuition tells me he/she was more important to the story than Nynian's depiction suggests.
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #5
Post by n7axw   » Fri Sep 12, 2014 5:07 pm

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There are a couple of things to note here. First of all, Nynian's story is at best fragmented, at least as we have it so far. It will be interesting to see if the next snippet fills in more detail or goes on to a new subject. Secondly, the Brethren of St. Zherneau seem to know more about the human past than Nynian, but there are still some answered questions there as well, especially about events on Safehold during that time frame.

I wonder if we will have even more Nynians waiting in the wings with still more perspectives. Ineresting thought, anyway...

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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #5
Post by evilauthor   » Fri Sep 12, 2014 7:55 pm

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n7axw wrote:I wonder if we will have even more Nynians waiting in the wings with still more perspectives. Ineresting thought, anyway...

Don


I consider it likely, but I think they're not as skilled, or as well placed, or just plain as important to the war effort as the actual Nynian. Or for that matter, to the story. So we'll either never see them or only get the most cursory description about them.

It's only if they're plot relevant will we get to see more. But at this late a stage, how much more could there be?
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #5
Post by dan92677   » Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:37 pm

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Only the MWW knows..................
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #5
Post by evilauthor   » Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:42 pm

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dan92677 wrote:Only the MWW knows..................


True. He could have more surprises in store.
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #5
Post by n7axw   » Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:05 pm

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evilauthor wrote:
n7axw wrote:I wonder if we will have even more Nynians waiting in the wings with still more perspectives. Ineresting thought, anyway...

Don


I consider it likely, but I think they're not as skilled, or as well placed, or just plain as important to the war effort as the actual Nynian. Or for that matter, to the story. So we'll either never see them or only get the most cursory description about them.

It's only if they're plot relevant will we get to see more. But at this late a stage, how much more could there be?


It could be a way for the author to fill in the blanks about Safehold's earliest days... Imagine each "Nynian" bringing a piece to the puzzle.

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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #5
Post by dan92677   » Sat Sep 13, 2014 2:57 am

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But how big could the pieces get and still fit within the scope of the # of remaining books?
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