Why did no command crew reproduce command crew people?

I know the idea was to climb down the technology ladder and then shut the hatch behind, but it just does not seem possible that no one of the command crew reproduced progeny at the command crew level. Seems near inhumanly extreme a response.

Having a smallish enclave on some "Gray Isle" or some such would have allowed continuing guidance to the plan. Especially when the War of the Fallen clearly meddled with the plan's parameters.

jgnfld wrote:I know the idea was to climb down the technology ladder and then shut the hatch behind, but it just does not seem possible that no one of the command crew reproduced progeny at the command crew level. Seems near inhumanly extreme a response.

Having a smallish enclave on some "Gray Isle" or some such would have allowed continuing guidance to the plan. Especially when the War of the Fallen clearly meddled with the plan's parameters.

My understanding is that is Zion.
Zion controls the reigns of power by divine right and can pull power from kings and nobles. they (are supposed to) shuffle their members around so a priest isn't going to have national ties to their flock

EDIT: Also you asking for a island of Sejin that are unknown to the planet but whom have the guiding force of the church and presumably the knowledge of technology to be able to properly guide society.

you either end up with the church problem all over again. or a time bomb of a knowledgeable enclave that mirrors what Shan-wei wanted in the first place

Well, we know that the Wylsynn family is descended from Schueler and it's possible that other families are descended from some of the other Command Crew.

However, if you're thinking about a community of people descended from the command crew having Federation High-Technology and knowledge about why humans have to be restricted to Safehold, IMO there's a very good reason against it.

Fear of another War Against the Fallen or worse.

The surviving Command Crew has fought against Shan-wei's supporters as well as other Langhorne supporters in order that their vision of Langhorne's plan would survive.

To be useful in protecting the Plan using High-Technology in support of the Safehold Church, their children would have to be educated in the use of the technology as well as in the history of the Gbaba war against the Federation.

Could they be absolutely sure that after their deaths, the issues they fought over would never come up again.

Their children and/or grandchildren might fight again over "was Langhorne correct or not".

Even worse from their point of view, their children and/or grandchildren might overwhelming decide that Shan-wei was right.

From their point of view, it would be safer to depend on the Church of Safehold, believing it was following God's commands, to be the safeguard of Langhorne's plans.

Of course, whatever the "return of the Archangels" involves, it was likely intended to be a safeguard in case the Church failed in its duty.

jgnfld wrote:I know the idea was to climb down the technology ladder and then shut the hatch behind, but it just does not seem possible that no one of the command crew reproduced progeny at the command crew level. Seems near inhumanly extreme a response.

Having a smallish enclave on some "Gray Isle" or some such would have allowed continuing guidance to the plan. Especially when the War of the Fallen clearly meddled with the plan's parameters.

jgnfld wrote:I know the idea was to climb down the technology ladder and then shut the hatch behind, but it just does not seem possible that no one of the command crew reproduced progeny at the command crew level. Seems near inhumanly extreme a response.

Having a smallish enclave on some "Gray Isle" or some such would have allowed continuing guidance to the plan. Especially when the War of the Fallen clearly meddled with the plan's parameters.

I'm not convinced that wasn't the plan prior to Kau-yung's barbecue. I was thinking that the original plan would have been for one of the command crew children to say he was Langhorne reborn to continue his divine work. The loss of the original command center and so many archangels probably made that plan unfeasible.

Starsaber wrote:

jgnfld wrote:I know the idea was to climb down the technology ladder and then shut the hatch behind, but it just does not seem possible that no one of the command crew reproduced progeny at the command crew level. Seems near inhumanly extreme a response.

Having a smallish enclave on some "Gray Isle" or some such would have allowed continuing guidance to the plan. Especially when the War of the Fallen clearly meddled with the plan's parameters.

I'm not convinced that wasn't the plan prior to Kau-yung's barbecue. I was thinking that the original plan would have been for one of the command crew children to say he was Langhorne reborn to continue his divine work. The loss of the original command center and so many archangels probably made that plan unfeasible.

In fact, we have some evidence that Zion's temple is case in point. We had a glimpse of a command room with pretty technological equipements (if said mystical) and it is unlikely it is the only one, while the places accessible to the rubes are all about impressing them.
You dont built something like that if you dont want to harness the advantages it gives you, and imo that means keeping a small tech base. After Kau-yung intervention, there was probably not enough people to keep the knowledge alive, and that derailed the plan

alj_sf wrote:In fact, we have some evidence that Zion's temple is case in point. We had a glimpse of a command room with pretty technological equipements (if said mystical) and it is unlikely it is the only one, while the places accessible to the rubes are all about impressing them.
You dont built something like that if you dont want to harness the advantages it gives you, and imo that means keeping a small tech base. After Kau-yung intervention, there was probably not enough people to keep the knowledge alive, and that derailed the plan

What glimpse are you talking about?

The Temple seems to have kept *itself* going for much of a Millennium, which is perhaps impressive in itself, if actually no one knows how to intervene if it malfunctions. Indeed, one might have suspected that someone in the builder staff might have considered that Temple Malfunction was a threat to long-term stability, and perhaps the person returning in a Millennium was a maintenance engineer.

Father Paityr's description of where the Key is to be used inside the Temple.

SWM wrote:

alj_sf wrote:In fact, we have some evidence that Zion's temple is case in point. We had a glimpse of a command room with pretty technological equipements (if said mystical) and it is unlikely it is the only one, while the places accessible to the rubes are all about impressing them.
You dont built something like that if you dont want to harness the advantages it gives you, and imo that means keeping a small tech base. After Kau-yung intervention, there was probably not enough people to keep the knowledge alive, and that derailed the plan

What glimpse are you talking about?

DrakBibliophile wrote:Father Paityr's description of where the Key is to be used inside the Temple.

SWM wrote:What glimpse are you talking about?

That description is rather vague and incomplete, and it is not clear that the room is a "control room." It does not give any evidence that the Angels intended to leave anyone behind with technological skills.

SWM wrote:

DrakBibliophile wrote:Father Paityr's description of where the Key is to be used inside the Temple.

That description is rather vague and incomplete, and it is not clear that the room is a "control room." It does not give any evidence that the Angels intended to leave anyone behind with technological skills.

When the guard go denouncing Paityr brothers imminent departure, he goes to what is clearly a control room, with powered door and, if I remember correctly, cameras too.