Sejins (SPOILER)

Guys, I think Aivah's speculations are a whole lot more likely to be right than all the conspiracy theories going on in the various threads; she has 'actually seen' the journals, after all.

Snippet text wrote: I suspect he switched to that language when he wrote down things that might have done serious damage to the cause of Chihiro and Schueler if it had fallen into someone else’s hands. Or perhaps they were things he might not have been certain of in his own mind at the time he wrote them down. From a handful of entries in the part I could read, I think it was a combination of the two.

If he was Chihiro/Schueler supporter who began to have doubts, because of the course of events or new info, he might well want to avoid damaging the cause or 'corrupting' his friends among the general Safehold population in case he was wrong, hence the
Spanish which protected him and others from their casual exposure to his ideas. Much easier and more natural to write in a language you know and others don't than to encode text by hand. As time went on his disaffection obviously grew, hence more Spanish. By that time it was probably habitual to write the secret stuff in that language.

Lots of people write journals to help them think through their own lives and issues and we have no evidence whatever that he made any effort to have his journals preserved or expected others to do so. Remember RFC said Kohdy had nothing at all to do with organising the SSK.

It doesn't matter if Merlin reads Spanish, because OWL certainly can!

It's speculation at this point but Kohdy was likely a either reeducated Adam recruited to fight during the war with modern weapons, or low ranked crewman who did not have his memory wiped. As he died before the last Adams it is more likely he was an Adam.

Spanish could be the code talk language of the Sejin allowing coordination without the normal enemy Safeholdians able to understand. Being in close contact with the Archangles such an Adam may have overheard tings causing doubts. He put those into a language others could not understand so as not to condemn the innocent of unorthodoxy in the early inquisition. Toward the end of his live his doubts became known or hinted at to the archangels, thus they decided to expunge him from the list of saints. The quick education the NEATs provide the Adams makes their recruitment as Sejins. probably on the older side so their special skills would disappear quickly after the war.

Poker

pokermind wrote:It's speculation at this point but Kohdy was likely a either reeducated Adam recruited to fight during the war with modern weapons, or low ranked crewman who did not have his memory wiped. As he died before the last Adams it is more likely he was an Adam.
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Poker

Eh? How do you come to the conclusion that he was an Adam because he died before the majority of the Adams?

I'm not inclined to believe he was a reeducated Adam, it's more likely he was from the technical or the military personnel. This also means that he can be quite old by Federation Standards and because of this he dies early compared to the Adams, or he just had an accident..or was murdered..

Btw, is there any textev that the personnel setting up the colony was memory wiped?

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He didn't write it thinking of Merlin but instead for the 'sleeper' under the Temple. The Sleeper went into storage earlier and Kohdy, alive until his natural death, is the foot soldier supplying intell for what happened afterwards. They knew how Shan-Wei was vilified after the OBS strike as was Pei-Wei. They knew the last Archangel alive could write history to favor their view. Just maybe.

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He didn't write it thinking of Merlin but instead for the 'sleeper' under the Temple. The Sleeper went into storage earlier and Kohdy, alive until his natural death, is the foot soldier supplying intell for what happened afterwards. They knew how Shan-Wei was vilified after the OBS strike as was Pei-Wei. They knew the last Archangel alive could write history to favor their view. Just maybe.

I am beginning to think (from threads and stretching Textev) that Khody (Quixote) might be Andropov. The fact that he was one of the main Sejins fighting for the Church in the WaF and the descriptions of Andropov as one of the main Archangel fighters. Andropov as the Archangel of Mirth, Gaming etc. fits with Khody's described character. A minor figure as Archangels go but an Archangel none the less. That would account for no one erasing his legacy/memory until way after the last Adam/Eve was dead and having the stature to create a sisterhood (SSK).

There is an actual Order of Andropov, with red robes and fuzzy dice hanging from their coach mirrors or some such thing.

April is a lot of speculation away

dwileye13 wrote:

schoeffelk wrote:Possible Spoiler






He didn't write it thinking of Merlin but instead for the 'sleeper' under the Temple. The Sleeper went into storage earlier and Kohdy, alive until his natural death, is the foot soldier supplying intell for what happened afterwards. They knew how Shan-Wei was vilified after the OBS strike as was Pei-Wei. They knew the last Archangel alive could write history to favor their view. Just maybe.

I am beginning to think (from threads and stretching Textev) that Khody (Quixote) might be Andropov. The fact that he was one of the main Sejins fighting for the Church in the WaF and the descriptions of Andropov as one of the main Archangel fighters. Andropov as the Archangel of Mirth, Gaming etc. fits with Khody's described character. A minor figure as Archangels go but an Archangel none the less. That would account for no one erasing his legacy/memory until way after the last Adam/Eve was dead and having the stature to create a sisterhood (SSK).

There is an actual Order of Andropov, with red robes and fuzzy dice hanging from their coach mirrors or some such thing.

April is a lot of speculation away

Yeah, I was thinking there might be a connection there too. Not necessarily the same person, but Andropov could have been Khody's "patron archangel".

It's been my impression that only the colonists were memory wiped.

IMO the crew of the starships weren't memory wiped.

Joat42 wrote:

pokermind wrote:It's speculation at this point but Kohdy was likely a either reeducated Adam recruited to fight during the war with modern weapons, or low ranked crewman who did not have his memory wiped. As he died before the last Adams it is more likely he was an Adam.
..snip..

Poker

Eh? How do you come to the conclusion that he was an Adam because he died before the majority of the Adams?

I'm not inclined to believe he was a reeducated Adam, it's more likely he was from the technical or the military personnel. This also means that he can be quite old by Federation Standards and because of this he dies early compared to the Adams, or he just had an accident..or was murdered..

Btw, is there any textev that the personnel setting up the colony was memory wiped?

Me too. And there is little reason to unwipe/reeducate an Adam unless you are conspiring like Shan-Wei, so I doubt Kodhy was an Adam.

DrakBibliophile wrote:It's been my impression that only the colonists were memory wiped.

IMO the crew of the starships weren't memory wiped.

Joat42 wrote:..snip..
Btw, is there any textev that the personnel setting up the colony was memory wiped?

DrakBibliophile wrote:It's been my impression that only the colonists were memory wiped.

IMO the crew of the starships weren't memory wiped.

I wonder how the surviving council/angels dealt with those people after Langhorne got nuked. I have this niggling thought that the description of their state of mind is something like "apeshit crazy"...

A different possibility is that the powers that be didn't know that Sejin Kodhy had doubts, but expunged him because they didn't like his lifestyle. Someone who is flamboyant, colorful, etc may not have fit in with their puritan ideals. So perhaps it was simply the early church didn't like him not that they thought he was a traitor to the cause.