Siddermark legacy

Your idea is "evil" enough that the Mighty Wizard Weber may have thought of it first.

evilauthor wrote:

PeterZ wrote:That frames the issues nicely. The constitution of Siddermark and Charis is the exception on Safehold. I wonder why? Well, I suppose we need to have something to speculate on.

You know, it would really amuse me if Siddarmark's Constitution had absolutely zero to do with any secret societies or Shan-Wei partisans. Instead, have it be an "unFallen Angel" who had been in charge of the Siddarmark area who taught/ordered the early Siddarmarkians the rudiments of constitutional democracy... because he really liked democracy and was perhaps passively resisting Langhorne's Plan without being open about it.

runsforcelery wrote: In many ways, he and the Gbaba have quite a lot in common. They apparently see any other intelligent species as a competitor = threat = enemy, which means it must be annihilated. Clyntahn sees any powerful entity he can't control as a threat to orthodoxy = a threat to his power as Grand Inquisitor = a threat to God's plan, which means it must be annihilated. It's actually that simple in his mind, and once that's grasped, everything he's done makes sense.

Ah! That being the case then I'm prepared to make a prediction. We know that Clyntahn sees Dialydd Mab as a threat, and therefore he must be annihilated. The only things known to attract Mab are atrocities by inquisitors. My prediction is that Clyntahn will proceed with his intentions to sift Sarkyn. "Unbeknownst" to Dialydd, Clyntahn will have more than sufficient force on hand to deal with him. Dialydd will arrive to carry out his threat. Clyntahn's force will spring the trap. We will then find what happens when the hound catches the slash lizzard.

~Tonto

Tonto Silerheels wrote:runsforcelery wrote: In many ways, he and the Gbaba have quite a lot in common. They apparently see any other intelligent species as a competitor = threat = enemy, which means it must be annihilated. Clyntahn sees any powerful entity he can't control as a threat to orthodoxy = a threat to his power as Grand Inquisitor = a threat to God's plan, which means it must be annihilated. It's actually that simple in his mind, and once that's grasped, everything he's done makes sense.

Ah! That being the case then I'm prepared to make a prediction. We know that Clyntahn sees Dialydd Mab as a threat, and therefore he must be annihilated. The only things known to attract Mab are atrocities by inquisitors. My prediction is that Clyntahn will proceed with his intentions to sift Sarkyn. "Unbeknownst" to Dialydd, Clyntahn will have more than sufficient force on hand to deal with him. Dialydd will arrive to carry out his threat. Clyntahn's force will spring the trap. We will then find what happens when the hound catches the slash lizzard.

~Tonto

I suppose that Clyntahn will also ignore the fact that Dialydd Mabb and his people can and have murdered people in their beds without alerting any of the many, many guards surrounding them while they were doing so?

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Clyntahn will ignore seijin Dab's impossible skills becuse GOD IS ON HIS SIDE and CLYNTAHN KNOWS EXACTLY HOW GOD THINKS.

So Clyntahn can not be wrong nor can he eventually lose - - -

R
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evilauthor wrote:

Tonto Silerheels wrote:runsforcelery wrote: In many ways, he and the Gbaba have quite a lot in common. They apparently see any other intelligent species as a competitor = threat = enemy, which means it must be annihilated. Clyntahn sees any powerful entity he can't control as a threat to orthodoxy = a threat to his power as Grand Inquisitor = a threat to God's plan, which means it must be annihilated. It's actually that simple in his mind, and once that's grasped, everything he's done makes sense.

Ah! That being the case then I'm prepared to make a prediction. We know that Clyntahn sees Dialydd Mab as a threat, and therefore he must be annihilated. The only things known to attract Mab are atrocities by inquisitors. My prediction is that Clyntahn will proceed with his intentions to sift Sarkyn. "Unbeknownst" to Dialydd, Clyntahn will have more than sufficient force on hand to deal with him. Dialydd will arrive to carry out his threat. Clyntahn's force will spring the trap. We will then find what happens when the hound catches the slash lizzard.

~Tonto

I suppose that Clyntahn will also ignore the fact that Dialydd Mabb and his people can and have murdered people in their beds without alerting any of the many, many guards surrounding them while they were doing so?

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Clyntahn will ignore seijin Dab's impossible skills becuse GOD IS ON HIS SIDE and CLYNTAHN KNOWS EXACTLY HOW GOD THINKS.

So Clyntahn can not be wrong nor can he eventually lose - - -

R
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Well, when Rayno told him about all the death and dismemberment and the downside of continuing the slaughter of the innocents- things got real quiet.
I do not think that inquisition will stop it's excesses- I do think the church will be a little more careful. Wouldn't do for them to keep losing inquisitors that they knew were targets. Bad for the morale of the troops.

It is said that in the early days of the republic, some of their neighbours were eager to join for the financial opportunities.
the treaty of silkiah was to stop the republic from expanding all the wat in to the desnair empire, and the church eared expansion too close to temple lands. Do we know what the border states thought about the republic? Was it possible at some point they wanted to join the republic? Sure they would loose a lot of independant power, but the nobility would change from the out right rulers, into the influential family, and with eir resources able tto active in the political field.

It is said that in the early days of the republic, some of their neighbours were eager to join for the financial opportunities.
the treaty of silkiah was to stop the republic from expanding all the wat in to the desnair empire, and the church eared expansion too close to temple lands. Do we know what the border states thought about the republic? Was it possible at some point they wanted to join the republic? Sure they would loose a lot of independant power, but the nobility would change from the out right rulers, into the influential family, and with eir resources able tto active in the political field.

runsforcelery wrote:Perhaps, . . .

SNIP

I really don't like him very much.

If RFC doesn't like him, it will not end well for him. I look forward to the resolution of this distasteful problem.

Thank you Mr. Weber

Hi Tonto Silerheels,

How are they going to hide from OWL's SNARC's?

Of course that begs the question of how the various inquisitor training camps for assassins, rakurai, SoS etc were overlooked by OWL and Merlin and the rest of the watching inner circle, but the evildoers must get their innings too.

In MTaT, I thought OWL would trace prince Daivyn's attempted Charisian born assassins back to their training camp so Merlin could eliminate them all [but that would stop them from being so nasty], but perhaps Dialydd Mab will take care of some of those camps while he visits Zion with Nynian.

Having 'Dialydd Mab' send letters to Clyntahn right from Zion or even a part of the temple complex perimeter, ought to get Clyntahn frothing nicely, a little stroke maybe?

Or perhaps Duchairn might forge such letters after he finds out about them, after Merlin and Nynian leave, just to distract Clyntahn from what Rhobair is up to...

This could be so amusing amid such carnage.

L

Tonto Silerheels wrote:runsforcelery wrote: In many ways, he and the Gbaba have quite a lot in common. They apparently see any other intelligent species as a competitor = threat = enemy, which means it must be annihilated. Clyntahn sees any powerful entity he can't control as a threat to orthodoxy = a threat to his power as Grand Inquisitor = a threat to God's plan, which means it must be annihilated. It's actually that simple in his mind, and once that's grasped, everything he's done makes sense.

Ah! That being the case then I'm prepared to make a prediction. We know that Clyntahn sees Dialydd Mab as a threat, and therefore he must be annihilated. The only things known to attract Mab are atrocities by inquisitors. My prediction is that Clyntahn will proceed with his intentions to sift Sarkyn. "Unbeknownst" to Dialydd, Clyntahn will have more than sufficient force on hand to deal with him. Dialydd will arrive to carry out his threat. Clyntahn's force will spring the trap. We will then find what happens when the hound catches the slash lizzard.

~Tonto

Hi SYED,

No, we don't know what the majority of the border states think or rather thought of Siddarmark before the SoS.

From what RFC has now said, it's quite possible the middle and lower classes were very favorably impressed by the RoS, and wanted to join, and being frustrated by the temple's [and/or KotTL's] refusal, preventing their economic and political progress.

Perhaps we might see some fifth column type sabotage in the Border States, especially after Sarkin, and Nynian's SSK's possible background help in finding the best way for the alliance to appeal to that past attraction before the alliance armies advance into their territories.

We know the 'levelers' were very active there and might have had up to 10% of the population if I remember HFaF's background correctly, but if the SR had expanded peacefully for centuries before the ~200 year conflict with Desnar, it's appeal to those of like mind with the 'levelers' probably encouraged many of them to travel and stay in the republic.

Which begs the question will they learn from the mistake of being used by the SoS and avoid it?

If the republic was so unusual that it mainly expanded by peaceful agreement rather than conquest because people sought to share the same values;, that alone may have set all the aristocracies [including the church's] teeth on edge, they were doing it differently, NTM far more cheaply.

For those provinces that joined the republic, their nobles had to basically agree with the RS's philosophy [because they didn't join or support a reactionary aristocratic opposition], to accept and abide by the RS's laws, to become big fish in a larger pond rather than the biggest in a small pond, quite a unusual attitude, so I suspect they went to finishing schools in Siddarmark if they didn't call them colleges.

L

SYED wrote:It is said that in the early days of the republic, some of their neighbours were eager to join for the financial opportunities.
the treaty of silkiah was to stop the republic from expanding all the wat in to the desnair empire, and the church eared expansion too close to temple lands. Do we know what the border states thought about the republic? Was it possible at some point they wanted to join the republic? Sure they would loose a lot of independant power, but the nobility would change from the out right rulers, into the influential family, and with eir resources able tto active in the political field.