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Re: Honorverse favorite passages
Post by cthia   » Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:39 pm

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roseandheather wrote:
cthia wrote:
I don't rightly recollect Honor funding Blackbird Yard. How exactly did she do that, out of her own funds or a government subsidy?

Also, at the risk of sounding, um, slow, what exactly are the benefits of a keel plate owner? Here it states that Honor is a keel plate owner of every Medusa?


A good chunk of Honor's personal fortune went to helping rebuild (or build, as the case may be) Blackbird Yard - I think this was after her fortune started multiplying thanks to Grayson Sky Domes, but it might have been right after Second Yeltsin - Honor was fairly wealthy by then already thanks to prize money.

Keel-plate owners are those who provide the financing for the initial building of a ship. In the case of the Royal Manticoran Navy's vessels, the keel-plate owner is the Star Kingdom itself. The keel-plate owner of the Tankersley, on the other hand, is Honor herself. "Keel-plate owner" is usually used in reference to merchant ships or private vessels, not naval ships, but because Honor's fortune provided some of the financial backing for the Medusas, she really is part keel-plate owner of every Medusa-class podnought in the GSN.

Thanks Rose.

But is there an underlying benefit to keel plate ownership, other than the pride of building a ship?

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Re: Honorverse favorite passages
Post by KNick   » Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:46 pm

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Without textev, I am not sure that the RMN follows anything like the USN tradition of calling the original military yard crew the keel plate owners. This is not the entire original crew. It is the officers and enlisted assigned to the ship before, at or just after the actual keel is laid, not the ones assigned at commissioning. Normally, they stay with the ship at least until she launches. This is the crew that answers all the construction yard questions when things don't work like they are supposed to.
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Re: Honorverse favorite passages
Post by Bill Woods   » Tue Aug 12, 2014 12:51 am

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cthia wrote:Ashes of Victory - (Honor's first intro to a Medusa)
"Just one more thing," White Haven said very quietly, pitching his voice too low even for Robards and LaFollet to have heard, and she glanced at him. "This ship, and the others like her in Grayson service, were all built in the Blackbird Yard you arranged the basic funding for, Milady. So, in a very real sense, you're a keel plate owner of all of them. That's one reason we felt she'd be the perfect ship to take you home again."

Honor met his eyes, then nodded.

"Thank you for telling me, My Lord," she said, equally quietly.

I don't rightly recollect Honor funding Blackbird Yard. How exactly did she do that, out of her own funds or a government subsidy?

Also, at the risk of sounding, um, slow, what exactly are the benefits of a keel plate owner? Here it states that Honor is a keel plate owner of every Medusa?
If it's like the USN's "plank owner" tradition,
A "plank owner" is an individual who was a member of the crew of a ship when that ship was placed in commission. In earlier years, this applied to a first commissioning; since then, it has often been applied to one who was part of a recommissioning crew as well. "Plank owner" is not an official Navy term, and has consequently been variously defined by different Navy units.
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In the case of ships with wooden decks, if the veteran has a plank owner certificate or statement of service showing that he was on the ship when it was commissioned, the veteran can write to the Naval Historical Center's Curator Branch, and request a piece of deck planking. If the veteran meets the above criteria and the Curator Branch has possession of deck planking, the plank owner or his widow can receive a small section of the deck. For more recent ships with metallic decks, the Navy is regretfully unable to issue deck sections.
http://www.navy.mil/navydata/nav_legacy.asp?id=180
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Admiral [noting yet another Manty tech surprise]:
XO, what's the budget for the ONI?
Vice Admiral: I don't recall exactly, sir. Several billion quatloos.
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Re: Honorverse favorite passages
Post by Eagleeye   » Tue Aug 12, 2014 1:33 am

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From "On Basilisk Station" - Honors Sloppiness ;)
OBS, Chapter27 wrote:"Chief Killian?"

"Aye, Captain?" The coxswain's shoulders were tight, but his voice was calm.

"Come to three-five-seven by one-seven-one, Chief Killian. On my command, I want three hundred gravities acceleration on that heading for ten seconds. Then come directly to two-seven-four by zero-niner-three true and go to maximum military power."

Stunned silence gripped the entire bridge, deeper even than that provoked by her Code Zulu, and then Chief Killian looked over his shoulder at her.

"Captain, that course—"

"I know precisely where that course will take us, Chief Killian," Honor said crisply.

"Captain—" it was Brigham this time, her voice very formal "—regulations require me to point out that you will be violating planetary traffic patterns on that course."

"Noted. Chief Braun—" Honor didn't even look up at the quartermaster, and her voice was almost absent "—please log the Sailing Master's warning and note that I assume full responsibility."

"Aye, aye, Ma'am." Braun's voice was absolutely toneless, but his expression was wary, as if he expected her to begin gibbering at any moment.

"Impeller wedge up and nominal, Ma'am," McKeon rasped, and Honor kept her eyes glued to her maneuvering display, watching the time display tick downward.

"Is that course laid in, Chief?"

"Ah, yes, Ma'am. Three-five-seven one-seven-one. Acceleration three-zero-zero gravities for one-zero seconds. Course change to two-seven-four zero-niner-three true also laid in, Captain."

"Thank you." Honor felt McKeon's tension at her shoulder, but there was no time to deal with that. "Courier boat time to impeller readiness?" she snapped.

"Thirty-six seconds, Ma'am," Lieutenant Cardones said in a small voice.

"Very well." She paused for just a beat, and then the timer hit zero. "Execute, Chief Killian!"

"Executing," the coxswain said in an almost prayerful voice, and HMS Fearless leapt instantly forward and "down" at an acceleration of just over twenty-nine hundred MPS2.

Honor's hands tightened on her chair's arms, but she didn't even blink as her eighty-eight-thousand-ton command screamed down into the very heart of Medusa's orbital traffic. She'd laid in that vector by eye, without the careful calculations and double-checking The Book required, but there was no time for that, and her mind was still in that odd overdrive. She knew it was correct, with an absolute certainty that admitted no doubt, and Fearless rode the invisible rail she'd nailed down in space as her speed mounted by almost three kilometers per second with every second that passed.

The Havenite courier boat loomed directly ahead of her on Honor's visual display, impeller nodes beginning to glow as they started to come up, but they weren't on line yet. Vapor spewed from the boat's emergency maneuvering thrusters as her skipper tried frantically to avoid Fearless's mad charge, yet those thrusters were far too weak to move the boat more than a few meters in the time they had, and the light cruiser stooped upon the eggshell courier like a vengeful falcon.

Breath hissed as her officers tensed for the inevitable, suicidal impact, but Honor's face was carved stone as the edge of Fearless's drive field slashed past the courier at less than two kilometers, far inside its drive safety perimeter. Vaporized alloy burst from the smaller vessel's stern as the cruiser's vastly more powerful impeller wedge blew her after nodes to incandescent gas; then Fearless was past, and the starscape slewed crazily in the visual display as she shot up and away from the planet in a mad skew turn and went instantly to full emergency power, accelerating at five hundred and twenty gravities.

"My God!" someone gasped as Fearless streaked past an orbiting four-million-ton freighter at a bare ten kilometers' separation. Honor didn't even turn her head. Her eyes were already reaching out for the scarlet light dot of the fleeing Sirius.

"Captain?" Webster sounded as shaken as anyone.

"Yes, Samuel?" Honor asked absently.

"Captain, I have an incoming message from that courier boat. They sound pretty upset, Ma'am."

"I imagine they do." Honor surprised herself with a grin and sensed the sudden release of her bridge crew's tension. "Put them on my screen."

"Yes, Ma'am."

Her screen lit with the image of a very young officer in the green and gray of the People's Navy. He wore a lieutenant's insignia, and his face was a curious, mottled blend of furious red and terrified white.

"Captain Harrington, I protest your reckless, illegal shiphandling!" the youngster shouted. "You almost destroyed my ship! Our entire after—"

"I'm very sorry, Captain," Honor interrupted in her most soothing tone. "I'm afraid I wasn't watching where I was going."

"Weren't watching wh—?!" The Havenite lieutenant strangled his exclamation and gritted his teeth. "I demand you heave to and assist my command in dealing with the damage you've inflicted!" he snarled instead.

"I regret that that's impossible, Captain," Honor said.

"Under the interstellar convention of—" the lieutenant began again, but she cut him off with a pleasant smile.

"I realize I'm technically in the wrong about this, Captain," she said in that same, soothing tone, "but I'm sure Her Majesty's Resident Commissioner will be able to provide any assistance you require. In the meantime, we're a little too busy to stop. Good-bye, Captain."

She switched off the com, killing the lieutenant's protest in mid splutter, and leaned back in her chair.

"My, that was a little sloppy of me, wasn't it?" she murmured.
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Re: Honorverse favorite passages
Post by runsforcelery   » Tue Aug 12, 2014 1:38 am

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roseandheather wrote:
cthia wrote:I don't rightly recollect Honor funding Blackbird Yard. How exactly did she do that, out of her own funds or a government subsidy?

Also, at the risk of sounding, um, slow, what exactly are the benefits of a keel plate owner? Here it states that Honor is a keel plate owner of every Medusa?


A good chunk of Honor's personal fortune went to helping rebuild (or build, as the case may be) Blackbird Yard - I think this was after her fortune started multiplying thanks to Grayson Sky Domes, but it might have been right after Second Yeltsin - Honor was fairly wealthy by then already thanks to prize money.

Keel-plate owners are those who provide the financing for the initial building of a ship. In the case of the Royal Manticoran Navy's vessels, the keel-plate owner is the Star Kingdom itself. The keel-plate owner of the Tankersley, on the other hand, is Honor herself. "Keel-plate owner" is usually used in reference to merchant ships or private vessels, not naval ships, but because Honor's fortune provided some of the financial backing for the Medusas, she really is part keel-plate owner of every Medusa-class podnought in the GSN.



Not quite, Rose. A "keel plate owner" is any member of a brand new ship's first crew. They put her into commission and, as such, always have a special relationship with her.


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Re: Honorverse favorite passages
Post by cthia   » Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:01 am

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cthia wrote:
Ashes of Victory - (Honor's first intro to a Medusa)
"Just one more thing," White Haven said very quietly, pitching his voice too low even for Robards and LaFollet to have heard, and she glanced at him. "This ship, and the others like her in Grayson service, were all built in the Blackbird Yard you arranged the basic funding for, Milady. So, in a very real sense, you're a keel plate owner of all of them. That's one reason we felt she'd be the perfect ship to take you home again."

Honor met his eyes, then nodded.

"Thank you for telling me, My Lord," she said, equally quietly.

I don't rightly recollect Honor funding Blackbird Yard. How exactly did she do that, out of her own funds or a government subsidy?

Also, at the risk of sounding, um, slow, what exactly are the benefits of a keel plate owner? Here it states that Honor is a keel plate owner of every Medusa?


Bill Woods wrote:
If it's like the USN's "plank owner" tradition,
A "plank owner" is an individual who was a member of the crew of a ship when that ship was placed in commission. In earlier years, this applied to a first commissioning; since then, it has often been applied to one who was part of a recommissioning crew as well. "Plank owner" is not an official Navy term, and has consequently been variously defined by different Navy units.
...
In the case of ships with wooden decks, if the veteran has a plank owner certificate or statement of service showing that he was on the ship when it was commissioned, the veteran can write to the Naval Historical Center's Curator Branch, and request a piece of deck planking. If the veteran meets the above criteria and the Curator Branch has possession of deck planking, the plank owner or his widow can receive a small section of the deck. For more recent ships with metallic decks, the Navy is regretfully unable to issue deck sections.
http://www.navy.mil/navydata/nav_legacy.asp?id=180

Thanks for this bit of info Bill. I don't know if it's apropos to the Honorverse but it surely satisfies my feeling that keel-plate ownership implies a certain "material" entitlement.

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Re: Honorverse favorite passages
Post by Jonathan_S   » Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:57 am

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roseandheather wrote:
cthia wrote:I don't rightly recollect Honor funding Blackbird Yard. How exactly did she do that, out of her own funds or a government subsidy?

Also, at the risk of sounding, um, slow, what exactly are the benefits of a keel plate owner? Here it states that Honor is a keel plate owner of every Medusa?


A good chunk of Honor's personal fortune went to helping rebuild (or build, as the case may be) Blackbird Yard - I think this was after her fortune started multiplying thanks to Grayson Sky Domes, but it might have been right after Second Yeltsin - Honor was fairly wealthy by then already thanks to prize money.
Wasn't Blackbird Yard primarily a joint venture between Sky Domes and the Hauptman Cartel?

I searched through Echoes of Honor and it does seem to be - remember Blackbird was building Argonaut-class freighters for Hauptman (at cost) as part of a process of "allowing Grayson and Sky Domes to buy out Hauptman's share of the yard".

But it also mentioned Honor's "private interest" in the "new Blackbird Shipyard" -- so I guess she invested some of her own money directly, not just through Sky Domes. So it seems there were multiple ways she was involved in creating the funding for Blackbird Yard.
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Re: Honorverse favorite passages
Post by cthia   » Tue Aug 12, 2014 11:13 am

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Ashes of Victory
She understood its people now, as she never had when first she met them, and perhaps that had been inevitable. However different they might have been on the surface, in one respect they had always been alike, she and the people of Grayson.

Responsibility. Neither she nor they had ever been able to run fast enough to escape it. In an odd way, even those who'd hated her most for the changes she'd brought their world had understood her almost perfectly, just as she'd come to understand them. And so, as she felt those exultant waves of emotion rolling over her from the bay gallery, she understood the people behind them, and the understanding welcomed her home.

"After you, Milady," White Haven said, standing and gesturing at the hatch as the green light blinked above it. She glanced at him, and he smiled. "In this navy, you're senior to me, Lady Harrington. And even if you weren't, I would never be stupid enough to come between you and a shipload of Graysons at a moment like this!"

She blushed darkly, but then she had to laugh, and she rose with an answering smile.

It really is something how the Harrington-Grayson marriage began.

And no, one really wouldn't want to interpose their wedge in between Honor and a shipload of Grayson men. Oh ... nooo!

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Re: Honorverse favorite passages
Post by roseandheather   » Tue Aug 12, 2014 12:28 pm

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cthia wrote:Ashes of Victory
She understood its people now, as she never had when first she met them, and perhaps that had been inevitable. However different they might have been on the surface, in one respect they had always been alike, she and the people of Grayson.

Responsibility. Neither she nor they had ever been able to run fast enough to escape it. In an odd way, even those who'd hated her most for the changes she'd brought their world had understood her almost perfectly, just as she'd come to understand them. And so, as she felt those exultant waves of emotion rolling over her from the bay gallery, she understood the people behind them, and the understanding welcomed her home.

"After you, Milady," White Haven said, standing and gesturing at the hatch as the green light blinked above it. She glanced at him, and he smiled. "In this navy, you're senior to me, Lady Harrington. And even if you weren't, I would never be stupid enough to come between you and a shipload of Graysons at a moment like this!"

She blushed darkly, but then she had to laugh, and she rose with an answering smile.

It really is something how the Harrington-Grayson marriage began.

And no, one really wouldn't want to interpose their wedge in between Honor and a shipload of Grayson men. Oh ... nooo!


Honor + Graysons = sobbing Rosie.

Have another. This has probably been posted before, but I don't really care.

A Navy shuttle was ten minutes out, and his eyebrows rose. Obviously, they were here to meet the shuttle, but why? And how did it come about that the Protector clearly knew more than the uniformed commander of the Grayson Navy did about who—or what—was aboard one of its shuttles? And what the hell was Benjamin grinning about that way?

An almost unbearable curiosity nearly forced the question from him, but he bit his tongue firmly. He would not give his maddening ruler the satisfaction of asking, he told himself doggedly, and returned his gaze to the landing apron of the pad.

Benjamin watched him for a moment longer, then smothered a laugh and joined him in gazing out through the crystoplast.

Several more minutes passed in silence, and then a white contrail drew a pencil-thin line across the rich blue morning sky behind the gleaming bead of a shuttle. The bead grew quickly into a swept-winged arrowhead, and Matthews watched with professional approval as the pilot turned onto his final approach and swooped down to a perfect landing. The landing legs deployed, flexed, and settled. Then the hatch opened and the stairs extended themselves, and Matthews forced himself not to bounce on his toes in irritation. He really did have far too many things to do, and as soon as this foolishness—whatever it was—was out of the way, perhaps he could get back to them and—

He froze, hazel eyes flaring wide as they locked on the tall, slim figure in a blue-on-blue uniform identical to his own, and his mental grousing slithered to an incoherent halt. He could not possibly be seeing what he thought he was, a small, still voice told him logically. Only one woman had ever been authorized to wear the uniform of a Grayson admiral. Just as only one woman in the Grayson navy had ever carried a six-legged, cream-and-gray treecat everywhere she went. Which meant his eyes must be lying to him, because that woman was dead. Had been dead for over two T-years. And yet—

"I told you I wouldn't apologize," Benjamin IX told his senior military officer, and this time there was no amusement at all in his soft voice. Matthews looked at him, his eyes stunned, and Benjamin smiled gently. "It may be a little late," he said, "but better late than never. Merry Christmas, Wesley."
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Re: Honorverse favorite passages
Post by Yow   » Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:29 pm

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I can't even blame or shake my fist at Rose or cthia anymore. Honestly, you would think I would know better by now. :cry: :cry: :cry:
cthia wrote:Ashes of Victory
She understood its people now, as she never had when first she met them, and perhaps that had been inevitable. However different they might have been on the surface, in one respect they had always been alike, she and the people of Grayson.

Responsibility. Neither she nor they had ever been able to run fast enough to escape it. In an odd way, even those who'd hated her most for the changes she'd brought their world had understood her almost perfectly, just as she'd come to understand them. And so, as she felt those exultant waves of emotion rolling over her from the bay gallery, she understood the people behind them, and the understanding welcomed her home.

"After you, Milady," White Haven said, standing and gesturing at the hatch as the green light blinked above it. She glanced at him, and he smiled. "In this navy, you're senior to me, Lady Harrington. And even if you weren't, I would never be stupid enough to come between you and a shipload of Graysons at a moment like this!"

She blushed darkly, but then she had to laugh, and she rose with an answering smile.

It really is something how the Harrington-Grayson marriage began.

And no, one really wouldn't want to interpose their wedge in between Honor and a shipload of Grayson men. Oh ... nooo!


roseandheather wrote:Honor + Graysons = sobbing Rosie.

Have another. This has probably been posted before, but I don't really care.

A Navy shuttle was ten minutes out, and his eyebrows rose. Obviously, they were here to meet the shuttle, but why? And how did it come about that the Protector clearly knew more than the uniformed commander of the Grayson Navy did about who—or what—was aboard one of its shuttles? And what the hell was Benjamin grinning about that way?

An almost unbearable curiosity nearly forced the question from him, but he bit his tongue firmly. He would not give his maddening ruler the satisfaction of asking, he told himself doggedly, and returned his gaze to the landing apron of the pad.

Benjamin watched him for a moment longer, then smothered a laugh and joined him in gazing out through the crystoplast.

Several more minutes passed in silence, and then a white contrail drew a pencil-thin line across the rich blue morning sky behind the gleaming bead of a shuttle. The bead grew quickly into a swept-winged arrowhead, and Matthews watched with professional approval as the pilot turned onto his final approach and swooped down to a perfect landing. The landing legs deployed, flexed, and settled. Then the hatch opened and the stairs extended themselves, and Matthews forced himself not to bounce on his toes in irritation. He really did have far too many things to do, and as soon as this foolishness—whatever it was—was out of the way, perhaps he could get back to them and—

He froze, hazel eyes flaring wide as they locked on the tall, slim figure in a blue-on-blue uniform identical to his own, and his mental grousing slithered to an incoherent halt. He could not possibly be seeing what he thought he was, a small, still voice told him logically. Only one woman had ever been authorized to wear the uniform of a Grayson admiral. Just as only one woman in the Grayson navy had ever carried a six-legged, cream-and-gray treecat everywhere she went. Which meant his eyes must be lying to him, because that woman was dead. Had been dead for over two T-years. And yet—

"I told you I wouldn't apologize," Benjamin IX told his senior military officer, and this time there was no amusement at all in his soft voice. Matthews looked at him, his eyes stunned, and Benjamin smiled gently. "It may be a little late," he said, "but better late than never. Merry Christmas, Wesley."

Cthia's father ~ "Son, do not cater to the common belief that a person has to earn respect. That is not true. You should give every person respect right from the start. What a person has to earn is your continued respect!"
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