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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #1
Post by DrakBibliophile   » Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:11 am

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::Moved David Weber's comment to the top.::

Maybe I'm grasping for straws, but might David Weber being saying that Kody (or an organization founded by him) hadn't manipulated her life?

It seems obvious that nobody but her father was responsible for her birth and "adoption" by her foster parents.

Her foster parents and foster sister likely had more influence on her life than a hypothetical secret society.

She may have learned more about the "real" Kody at the nunnery and *might* have made contact with a secret society there.

Of course, our hypothetical secret society may not have been founded by Kody but, among other things, had held knowledge about the "real" Kody not the "folklore" Kody.

Still it seems clear (to me) that Aivah is a remarkable woman no matter what help she may have gotten from a hypothetical secret society.

Which may be what David Weber is trying to tell us. :D


runsforcelery wrote:Nope. He didn't have a thing to do with organizing anything remotely related to her life. :twisted:

DrakBibliophile wrote:While you're correct that it doesn't matter if she's a member of a group founded by Shan-wei or not, IIRC David Weber did say that she's not a member of a group founded by Shan-wei.

Now that Weber comment did leave it open to her being a member of a "secret group" founded by somebody other than Shan-wei.

Now it beginning to look like she is a member of a "secret group" perhaps founded by Kody (whoever he really was).

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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #1
Post by DrakBibliophile   » Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:14 am

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You're not the first to wonder about that and that nunnery may be a factor in her knowledge. :)

rdt wrote:Wonder what went on in that nunnery? Was it something like what we know goes on at St. Z's? And what are the implications of that?

Shhh. Secret stuff from religious orders.

That's all from me until the book arrives.
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #1
Post by alj_sf   » Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:14 am

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So that clears a lot of speculation and open quite a few new ones.

- She is probably part of an order (nunnery ?) founded by Seijin Kody who was on the losing side of the fallen wars.
- She imply that the order is in possession of documents not telling the official church history.
- Her interest in the actions of historical Seijins seems to tell us that the non official history is much more complex than the official one, especially about the role of Seijins. The cartboard figures of the official ones suggest rewritten stories. Which begs one question : Why St Zerneaux accounts which are not under church eye dont show same discrepancies ?
- She had the means to spy on Charis from Zion which means quite an organisation. Same org has also the institutional skills to carry perfectly done assassinations leaving no clues, yet the church know nothing about it and dont even suspect its existence ?

I know the last bit is a pet point of mine, but that solely breaks plausability for me.
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #1
Post by kbus888   » Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:38 am

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Maybe Kody did not organize anything, but could he not have INSPIRED a group which survived to influence her life ??

Could have happened after Kody died/vanished and not during his actual life ??

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runsforcelery wrote:Nope. He didn't have a thing to do with organizing anything remotely related to her life. :twisted:

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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #1
Post by bitslizer   » Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:56 am

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Do we have an official snippet schedule? MWF? once a week? random junkie feeding? :lol:

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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #1
Post by DrakBibliophile   » Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:59 am

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IMO this snippet shows that Charis was not involved in the War of the Archangels so nobody in Charis would have had first hand knowledge of the actions of the Seijins.

So St Zherneau would only have rumors and the official records of what happened.

IMO they would be unlikely to record rumors of what happened on the mainland as they'd have no way of knowing what rumors had a basis of truth and what rumors did not.

As for the plausibility of Aivah's assassins being "unknown" to the Inquisition, IMO it's not as implausible as you may think.

First, *if* there's another secret organization that Aivah founded or became part of, like the Brethren of Saint Zherneau, it would have kept a low profile except perhaps for intelligence gathering.

Second, there have been hints that intelligence gathering is very common on Safehold and has been for centuries.

Aivah's intelligence gathering organization would use methods that have worked for centuries and would be just one of many such organizations.

If the Inquisition got hints of her operations, there could be nothing to tell it that this organization is anyway different than the other intelligence gathering operations on Safehold.

Oh, it is very possible that many of her spies have no idea of who they are reporting to.

As for her assassins, her assassination operations appear to be very recent perhaps only starting after Clyntahn's purge of the Circle.

Her assassins likely aren't part of her intelligence gathering organizations although obviously they make use of information from her spies.

Back-tracking a bit here, spying on Vicars and other clergy is likely very common on Safehold especially for blackmail reasons.

While we haven't gotten complete details on how the assassins "trapped" their victims, it is likely their methods are similar to those used to "entrap" victims for blackmail purposes.

Intelligence operations and entrapment operations are likely common in Zion just as they'd be in "places of power" on Earth.

Rayno would have trouble finding traces of Aivah's assassination organizations because of the "noise" from other organizations in Zion.

Until her assassins strike there's little difference from her people and the other people spying in Zion.

Of course, Your Mileage May Vary. :D



alj_sf wrote:So that clears a lot of speculation and open quite a few new ones.

- She is probably part of an order (nunnery ?) founded by Seijin Kody who was on the losing side of the fallen wars.
- She imply that the order is in possession of documents not telling the official church history.
- Her interest in the actions of historical Seijins seems to tell us that the non official history is much more complex than the official one, especially about the role of Seijins. The cartboard figures of the official ones suggest rewritten stories. Which begs one question : Why St Zerneaux accounts which are not under church eye dont show same discrepancies ?
- She had the means to spy on Charis from Zion which means quite an organisation. Same org has also the institutional skills to carry perfectly done assassinations leaving no clues, yet the church know nothing about it and dont even suspect its existence ?

I know the last bit is a pet point of mine, but that solely breaks plausability for me.
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #1
Post by DrakBibliophile   » Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:35 pm

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David Weber will post snippets when he gets "a round tuit". :twisted:



bitslizer wrote:Do we have an official snippet schedule? MWF? once a week? random junkie feeding? :lol:

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multiverse re: HFQ Official Snippet #1
Post by Howard T. Map-addict   » Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:41 pm

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Make it so, please. I prithee, make it so!

If there is anything I can do to help with multiverse #3,
such as Beta-reading the Indexes, anything at all,
please, command me!

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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #1
Post by bitslizer   » Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:55 pm

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DrakBibliophile wrote:David Weber will post snippets when he gets "a round tuit". :twisted:



bitslizer wrote:Do we have an official snippet schedule? MWF? once a week? random junkie feeding? :lol:

Thanks


apparently in my eagerness for snippets, I skipped straight past RFC's pre-snippet post where the question was already answered... Oops! :oops:
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #1
Post by Howard T. Map-addict   » Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:04 pm

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Or else that Aviah is a very good guesser!
After all, it is not an impossible thing to guess, it is
a Reasonable Speculation, once one opens one's mind.

HTM

PS I note that I am voting with Thanatos, nervousenergy,
and evil author. That makes four of us so far. htm

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