HFQ Official Snippet #1

kbus888 wrote:=2014/08/09=
?? The CURRENT Grand Vicar ??

Where's the text evidence for that ??

Could it not be the PREVIOUS Grand Vicar ??

R
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DrakBibliophile wrote:We already know that Aivah is the daughter of the current Grand Vicar.

runsforcelery wrote:

kbus888 wrote:=2014/08/09=
?? The CURRENT Grand Vicar ??

Where's the text evidence for that ??

Could it not be the PREVIOUS Grand Vicar ??

R
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SNIP

Guys, she turns 52 (Safeholdian; 47 Standard) in September 897. Her father was neither the current GV, nor his predecessor. And, yes, she was adopted and raised by Adorai's parents.


edited to straighten out snarled quotes.

isaac_newton wrote:

runsforcelery wrote:
Guys, she turns 52 (Safeholdian; 47 Standard) in September 897. Her father was neither the current GV, nor his predecessor. And, yes, she was adopted and raised by Adorai's parents.


edited to straighten out snarled quotes.

Let's just wait and see who ignores this first!

runsforcelery wrote:

kbus888 wrote:=2014/08/09=
?? The CURRENT Grand Vicar ??

Where's the text evidence for that ??

Could it not be the PREVIOUS Grand Vicar ??

R

Guys, she turns 52 (Safeholdian; 47 Standard) in September 897. Her father was neither the current GV, nor his predecessor. And, yes, she was adopted and raised by Adorai's parents.


edited to straighten out snarled quotes.

PalmerSperry wrote:

runsforcelery wrote: “I don’t know,” she told him very quietly, her eyes deep and dark in the fire-spangled bedchamber’s dimness, “but I’ve come to suspect that wherever you truly come from is also where all of the Adams and Eves who awoke here on Safehold on the Day of Creation truly came from, as well.”

To me it's this last paragraph that's key. (Quite what's it's key too, I'm less sure about!) The rest of this revelation can be explained by Aivah being very observant, having a slightly strange hobby (seijin lore?), and a rather impressive covert organisation to connect everything together. All very impressive, but nothing more than could be explained by the actions of a lucky, intelligent and resourceful individual (particularly if they had help getting started).

But "where all of the Adams and Eves who awoke here ... truly came from"??? The Writ already tells us where they came from surely? By the will of God and the grace of the Holy Langhorne they where magically created at the very instance of creation! (Or words to that effect.) Given the Safehold-centered nature of the universe, there is and more importantly was nowhere else for them to have come from!

Of course us readers (and the inner circle) know that the Writ is in fact a complete lie on this point, amongst others. It would seem that Aivah knows this too, which inevitably leads me to wondering how? Hopefully Snippet #2 will reveal more, though equally probably it'll switch to some other characters in some other place ...

PeterZ wrote:Don,

If one takes RFC's recent posts and read them as gentle hints of where the general direction of the story is headed, one might draw some conclusions. The original plan called for a few small, secluded high tech outposts to bootstrap the colony after low tech safety period expired. Langhorne altered those plans. Langhorne's original plan was changed as well as the Writ itself well after Creation. A nasty secession war was fought by people traumatized by the Gbaba war using low tech brainwashed proxies with the survival of the human race at stake.

From that rat's nest of high stakes conflict, I would be shocked if more than a few passionate factions didn't form with their own differing views of where Safehold's future lies. Those factions' leaders were chosen from the brightest of humanity to form the original command crew of Project Ark. That one of these passionate groups survived just as St. Zherneau did would not surprise me a bit. Furthermore, I find that a group begun by someone other than Shan-wei will have a better chance of surviving with their high tech toys, if any survived the wars.

n7axw wrote:

PeterZ wrote:Don,

If one takes RFC's recent posts and read them as gentle hints of where the general direction of the story is headed, one might draw some conclusions. The original plan called for a few small, secluded high tech outposts to bootstrap the colony after low tech safety period expired. Langhorne altered those plans. Langhorne's original plan was changed as well as the Writ itself well after Creation. A nasty secession war was fought by people traumatized by the Gbaba war using low tech brainwashed proxies with the survival of the human race at stake.

From that rat's nest of high stakes conflict, I would be shocked if more than a few passionate factions didn't form with their own differing views of where Safehold's future lies. Those factions' leaders were chosen from the brightest of humanity to form the original command crew of Project Ark. That one of these passionate groups survived just as St. Zherneau did would not surprise me a bit. Furthermore, I find that a group begun by someone other than Shan-wei will have a better chance of surviving with their high tech toys, if any survived the wars.

Maybe, but Jeremiah Knowles survived by going to ground and concealing what he really knew, posing as a orthodox teacher with a few harmless looking wrinkles of his own.

There is no reason that someone else couldn't have taken that same path, say, on the mainland with a group over time developing different traditions and ways of self expression who also managed not to call the inquisition's attention to itself. I don't really see that it matters whether it was one of Shanwei's seedlings, a Seijin Khody or someone else entirely. I wouldn't argue that point at all. My speculation is that the covert group exists and that Aivah is a member of a different "inner circle" who has at least a piece of the truth if not the whole thing.

Don

DrakBibliophile wrote:While you're correct that it doesn't matter if she's a member of a group founded by Shan-wei or not, IIRC David Weber did say that she's not a member of a group founded by Shan-wei.

Now that Weber comment did leave it open to her being a member of a "secret group" founded by somebody other than Shan-wei.

Now it beginning to look like she is a member of a "secret group" perhaps founded by Kody (whoever he really was).

PeterZ wrote:Don,

If one takes RFC's recent posts and read them as gentle hints of where the general direction of the story is headed, one might draw some conclusions. The original plan called for a few small, secluded high tech outposts to bootstrap the colony after low tech safety period expired. Langhorne altered those plans. Langhorne's original plan was changed as well as the Writ itself well after Creation. A nasty secession war was fought by people traumatized by the Gbaba war using low tech brainwashed proxies with the survival of the human race at stake.

From that rat's nest of high stakes conflict, I would be shocked if more than a few passionate factions didn't form with their own differing views of where Safehold's future lies. Those factions' leaders were chosen from the brightest of humanity to form the original command crew of Project Ark. That one of these passionate groups survived just as St. Zherneau did would not surprise me a bit. Furthermore, I find that a group begun by someone other than Shan-wei will have a better chance of surviving with their high tech toys, if any survived the wars.

n7axw wrote:Maybe, but Jeremiah Knowles survived by going to ground and concealing what he really knew, posing as a orthodox teacher with a few harmless looking wrinkles of his own.

There is no reason that someone else couldn't have taken that same path, say, on the mainland with a group over time developing different traditions and ways of self expression who also managed not to call the inquisition's attention to itself. I don't really see that it matters whether it was one of Shanwei's seedlings, a Seijin Khody or someone else entirely. I wouldn't argue that point at all. My speculation is that the covert group exists and that Aivah is a member of a different "inner circle" who has at least a piece of the truth if not the whole thing.

Don

runsforcelery wrote: “I don’t know,” she told him very quietly, her eyes deep and dark in the fire-spangled bedchamber’s dimness, “but I’ve come to suspect that wherever you truly come from is also where all of the Adams and Eves who awoke here on Safehold on the Day of Creation truly came from, as well.”