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Re: Clyntahn using the Key of Schueler.
Post by dwileye13   » Thu Jul 24, 2014 11:28 am

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What better recruit would there be than a young lady, kicked out of the powerful vicar's family and denied her heritage, and forced into prostitution to make her way in the world? Yes, Anzhelique/Aivah/Nynian. :mrgreen:
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In truth I believe Aviah was never 'forced into prostitution'. IMO she is a master spy and used one of the best means of hiding in plain sight to run her operation. Forced into Prostitution and being one of the weathiest people on Safehold are not a likely combination. It would seem she is part of an established old organization of women also trying to save and preserve the Church.
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Re: Clyntahn using the Key of Schueler.
Post by SWM   » Thu Jul 24, 2014 11:33 am

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dwileye13 wrote:
Hank Plantagenet wrote:
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What better recruit would there be than a young lady, kicked out of the powerful vicar's family and denied her heritage, and forced into prostitution to make her way in the world? Yes, Anzhelique/Aivah/Nynian. :mrgreen:


In truth I believe Aviah was never 'forced into prostitution'. IMO she is a master spy and used one of the best means of hiding in plain sight to run her operation. Forced into Prostitution and being one of the weathiest people on Safehold are not a likely combination. It would seem she is part of an established old organization of women also trying to save and preserve the Church.[/quote]
As stated earlier in this thread, Aiva was not forced into prostitution. She deliberately chose prostitution as an insult to her father.
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Re: Clyntahn using the Key of Schueler.
Post by phillies   » Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:47 pm

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It does not occur to me that the Army sent to the Mountains of Light is likely to find much, until they stumble across the sensor array that is not under 40' of snow any longer, but Clyntahn cannot plausibly know this.
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Re: Clyntahn using the Key of Schueler.
Post by n7axw   » Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:34 pm

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phillies wrote:It does not occur to me that the Army sent to the Mountains of Light is likely to find much, until they stumble across the sensor array that is not under 40' of snow any longer, but Clyntahn cannot plausibly know this.


I would doubt that the placement of that sensor array in any place where anyone not previously clued in is going to be able to happen across it. In mountains as rugged as the Mountains of Light, there are all sorts of spots not accessible by anyone on foot. Any emplaced sensors probably had to have been gotten into position by being airlifted in. In addition to that, the physical profile of the things is probably small enough to make them difficult to find even if someone has a hint that they are there.

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Re: Clyntahn using the Key of Schueler.
Post by lyonheart   » Sat Jul 26, 2014 3:15 am

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Hi Don,

It is only speculation that Clyntahn has sent an army to the mountains of light.

Wasting critically needed manpower on a wild goose chase at a time when the CoGA needs to concentrate its forces on the essential enemies could get him accused of sabotaging the jihad, other men have been tortured to death for less, and every charge Duchairn comes up with could mean more that will stick.

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n7axw wrote:
phillies wrote:It does not occur to me that the Army sent to the Mountains of Light is likely to find much, until they stumble across the sensor array that is not under 40' of snow any longer, but Clyntahn cannot plausibly know this.


I would doubt that the placement of that sensor array in any place where anyone not previously clued in is going to be able to happen across it. In mountains as rugged as the Mountains of Light, there are all sorts of spots not accessible by anyone on foot. Any emplaced sensors probably had to have been gotten into position by being airlifted in. In addition to that, the physical profile of the things is probably small enough to make them difficult to find even if someone has a hint that they are there.

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Re: Clyntahn using the Key of Schueler.
Post by Weird Harold   » Sat Jul 26, 2014 3:24 am

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lyonheart wrote:Wasting critically needed manpower on a wild goose chase at a time when the CoGA needs to concentrate its forces on the essential enemies ...


That is an argument that would occur to a rational person... but we are talking about Vicar Clyntahn here; not the most rational person on (or off) the Planet Safehold. :roll:
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Re: Clyntahn using the Key of Schueler.
Post by n7axw   » Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:09 pm

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Weird Harold wrote:
lyonheart wrote:Wasting critically needed manpower on a wild goose chase at a time when the CoGA needs to concentrate its forces on the essential enemies ...


That is an argument that would occur to a rational person... but we are talking about Vicar Clyntahn here; not the most rational person on (or off) the Planet Safehold. :roll:


I agree with you mostly here, but it would be unwise to think of Clyntahn as a dummy. Think of the number of things he's tried that have gone south because of things he didn't know and had no way of knowing. Perfectly rational in the light of what he knew, but derailed because of Charis' little surprises.

OTOH one would think that he would eventually catch on to the fact that there is always another surprise waiting in the wings. In that respect, he does seem like a slow learner.

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Re: Clyntahn using the Key of Schueler.
Post by Weird Harold   » Sun Jul 27, 2014 1:12 am

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n7axw wrote:I agree with you mostly here, but it would be unwise to think of Clyntahn as a dummy. Think of the number of things he's tried that have gone south because of things he didn't know and had no way of knowing. Perfectly rational in the light of what he knew, but derailed because of Charis' little surprises.


Not a "dummy," no. Definitely a fanatic with only a limited contact with reality. I don't consider any of his decisions to be rational; his decision to order the destruction of Charis certainly wasn't rational because he had no evidence that Charis was heretical -- they were just beyond his immediate control, so they had to be destroyed.

That wasn't the thought process of a rational man.
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Re: Clyntahn using the Key of Schueler.
Post by C. O. Thompson   » Sun Jul 27, 2014 10:57 am

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OK, So Clyntahn decides there needs to be an expedition to wipe out the hot bed of opposition. So, how do they find someone that leaves no foot prints, has no need to go into town for supplies and have a cave that is not only screened but so deep below the mountain. It could be rough on the neighbors and Merlin has issues with innocent bystanders but, I don't think they will find the cave.

Just my 2¢

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Also would be too easy. RFC would puts through many more twists and turns before he unveiled the Truth.

I sort of hope something like that happens, though.[/quote]

The other complication is that it is currently sitting in Nimue's cave having been examined by OWL...
The Rackuri may have a little trouble finding it...[/quote]

At some point it will occur to Clyntahn that all these seijin come from the Mountains of Light, which are therefore in need of a thoroughgoing military occupation.[/quote]
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Re: Clyntahn using the Key of Schueler.
Post by ecortez   » Mon Aug 04, 2014 7:03 pm

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I wonder if there are other secret chambers under the Temple besides Schueler's. Could there be, say, a Key of Langhorne? What if Clyntahn had that and a holographic instruction video like the one left for the Wylsynns?

I doubt Merlin has to worry about Nimue's Cave though. If I recall correctly, Safehold's Mount Olympus is taller than Everest by a significant percentage; one third, one half, something like that. A human being couldn't get anywhere near the summit without supplemental oxygen. There may be other peaks in the Mountains of Light that are also taller than Everest. Sending in a small group of expert climbers with specialized gear (the kind the Church could provide) might allow them to scout certain parts of the range, but an army? Guys would be freezing to death, falling off cliffs, having severe respiratory problems, etc. The operation would be a disaster. I doubt Clyntahn believes the whole Mountains of Light thing anyway. The claim that seijins train in this uninhabitable place is a bit like the myth that Santa Claus lives in an elf village at the north pole. Just a fairy tale that distracts attention from wherever it is they're really based.
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