Gbaba Facts

=2014/07/10=

RFC seems very busy on Honerverse stuff.

My guess is April/2015 for HFQ

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n7axw wrote:(Sigh)I'd just be happy to know the publication date for HFQ!

Don

n7axw wrote:(Sigh)I'd just be happy to know the publication date for HFQ!

Don

To borrow from the recent Battlestar Galatica TV series: "So say we all"

JohnS wrote:

DrakBibliophile wrote:Well David Weber has said that there would be a separate series about the rematch between humans and the Gbaba.

I want this so much, that I'm telling myself you probably misinterpreted something.

Apocalypse Troll
Empire from the Ashes
Excalibur Alternative
In Fury Born
Old Soldiers
Out of the Dark
Safehold

Each of those involves an alien polity that "done us wrong" and in not a single one have we gotten to read the story of humanity's throwdown with them. (I know Old Soldiers is set in someone else's universe, but I'm on a roll here. Work with me. )

It would be really nice if the Safehold series, or even better a spin-off, finished its version of that story.

I think The Armageddon Inheritance (Dahak/Empire from the Ashes) IS the big fight. When the 5thImp goes after the Achuultani home planets a couple of centuries down the line, the Achuultani probably wouldn't be able to put up much resistance.

cralkhi wrote:I think The Armageddon Inheritance (Dahak/Empire from the Ashes) IS the big fight. When the 5thImp goes after the Achuultani home planets a couple of centuries down the line, the Achuultani probably wouldn't be able to put up much resistance.

We don't know that. The command ship had weapons that the other ships didn't have. The main computer may well have much higher tech than any of the Sweeps are allowed. I imagine the main computer is acutely aware of the threat that a computer in charge of a Sweep fleet could pose. The Sweep fleets may be tiny compared to what it keeps at home to guard itself.

Anyway, my main point is that the Achuultani master computer is still in a position to keep exterminating species across the galaxy, including sending new Sweeps in our direction. I would like to see the end of the story.

This is just a theory, but I'm guessing the Gbaba are basically the CoGA writ large... and much more successful at preventing change and exterminating inconvenient kingdoms/races than Clyntahn could ever hope to be.

Which means Safehold becomes the "Merlin" of the future Gbaba war which would sort of follow the general broad outlines of the war against the CoGA.

=2014/07/25=
Hi Guys

??Did you forget "The Shiva Option" ??

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cralkhi wrote:

JohnS wrote:
I want this so much, that I'm telling myself you probably misinterpreted something.

Apocalypse Troll
Empire from the Ashes
Excalibur Alternative
In Fury Born
Old Soldiers
Out of the Dark
Safehold

Each of those involves an alien polity that "done us wrong" and in not a single one have we gotten to read the story of humanity's throwdown with them. (I know Old Soldiers is set in someone else's universe, but I'm on a roll here. Work with me. )

It would be really nice if the Safehold series, or even better a spin-off, finished its version of that story.

I think The Armageddon Inheritance (Dahak/Empire from the Ashes) IS the big fight. When the 5thImp goes after the Achuultani home planets a couple of centuries down the line, the Achuultani probably wouldn't be able to put up much resistance.

Even with The Shiva Option, there is "the system which must not be revealed."

Don

=2014/07/26=
Yes . . .

In that case, there may be more than one "throw down"

But, there was -- at least one -- war with an aggressive species that reached its conclusion --

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n7axw wrote:Even with The Shiva Option, there is "the system which must not be revealed."

Don

kbus888 wrote:=2014/07/26=
Yes . . .

In that case, there may be more than one "throw down"

But, there was -- at least one -- war with an aggressive species that reached its conclusion --

Yeah, I certainly do count that. I've read In Death Ground and Shiva Option several times, so I love them as war stories. But the Bugs were many times described, both in-story and by authorial voice, as being more like a force of nature than an enemy. Even the Acchultani aren't that extreme since they show individuality even when under the computer's control.

Ironically, at least from my viewpoint, the next series most likely to show a "fight to the finish" is Safehold. In which the enemy is not understood by humanity despite the Federation capturing six Gbaba systems.

In the books/series that I listed, the enemy has a face we can understand and even empathize with. My favorite of the lot are the Rish from In Fury Born. What little we see of their society, and the individuals that we meet, shows that they are rife with story possibilities. Really, who wouldn't want a series comparable to the Honorverse involving the Rish or the early Orions, with viewpoint characters on the various sides such as we've seen in the Honorverse?

But short of prolong getting developed right now, and RFC correspondingly postponing retirement, I don't see it happening.

JohnS wrote:

kbus888 wrote:=2014/07/26=
Yes . . .

In that case, there may be more than one "throw down"

But, there was -- at least one -- war with an aggressive species that reached its conclusion --

Yeah, I certainly do count that. I've read In Death Ground and Shiva Option several times, so I love them as war stories. But the Bugs were many times described, both in-story and by authorial voice, as being more like a force of nature than an enemy. Even the Acchultani aren't that extreme since they show individuality even when under the computer's control.

Ironically, at least from my viewpoint, the next series most likely to show a "fight to the finish" is Safehold. In which the enemy is not understood by humanity despite the Federation capturing six Gbaba systems.

In the books/series that I listed, the enemy has a face we can understand and even empathize with. My favorite of the lot are the Rish from In Fury Born. What little we see of their society, and the individuals that we meet, shows that they are rife with story possibilities. Really, who wouldn't want a series comparable to the Honorverse involving the Rish or the early Orions, with viewpoint characters on the various sides such as we've seen in the Honorverse?

But short of prolong getting developed right now, and RFC correspondingly postponing retirement, I don't see it happening.

I doubt that RFC wants to go the route of Ender Wiggin here. Is that what you seek - the good guys extinguishing the bad guys? I must confess that I want to see that too, but after reading Ender's Game and Speaker for the Dead I see similarities between the Gbaba and the Buggers. It'll be interesting how RFC settles this - most people want to see somebody actually WIN the fight, and yet the enemy must be EVIL enough to justify such a near-total genocide that would be necessary to settle things once and for all.

Does Safehold bomb them back to the stone age, or do they simply contain them as Colin MacIntyre does to the Achuultani, or as the US did to China in the 50s?