Rediscovery of Technology

smr wrote:The dog repeatedly went to the window when she decided to home (7 second delay). Notice, they synch the the two cameras. She tried walking home, taking a cab, have a friend drive home, and ride home. This is one example of the many experiments conducted in the name of science on this subject.

So, where are the papers then? The studies? The peer-reviewed articles in Nature? The changes in animal handling?

I believe you can do the work...email the professor...he's in the video! I just thought is was interesting experiment(s).

The E wrote:

smr wrote:The dog repeatedly went to the window when she decided to home (7 second delay). Notice, they synch the the two cameras. She tried walking home, taking a cab, have a friend drive home, and ride home. This is one example of the many experiments conducted in the name of science on this subject.

So, where are the papers then? The studies? The peer-reviewed articles in Nature? The changes in animal handling?

smr wrote:I believe you can do the work...email the professor...he's in the video! I just thought is was interesting experiment(s).

You misunderstand. If this phenomenon is actually the result of some psychic interaction, and if said interaction can be proven to exist without doubt, where are the second-order effects? Why isn't there a marketable product or training technique based on these findings? Why isn't there more research?

That's the questions I want you to ask yourself. If these results are as unassailable as you believe, why aren't we seeing something based on them anywhere in the world?

EDIT: And about the whole "email the professor" bit: I'm sorry, but Rupert Sheldrake is not what I would call credible. Given his aversion to the established mechanisms of scientific inquiry, anything he says is automatically suspect unless it can be verified by independent sources.

The E wrote:You misunderstand. If this phenomenon is actually the result of some psychic interaction, and if said interaction can be proven to exist without doubt, where are the second-order effects? Why isn't there a marketable product or training technique based on these findings? Why isn't there more research?

That's the questions I want you to ask yourself. If these results are as unassailable as you believe, why aren't we seeing something based on them anywhere in the world?

This should make your argument stronger:
http://xkcd.com/808/

Thucydides...Thanks for the laughs and the link!

The E, I just thought it was an interesting experiment.

What if we (the people) have the ability to perform such phenomenons and all we have to do is train ourselves to perform such feats. What if we used to perform such feats but have devolved into lessor beings that use speech instead of telepathy (mind to mind contact)? The earlier versions of mankind could not speak but they had much larger brains. It makes for interesting philosophical discussion on the subject! Did we perform these types of mind sciences and then devolved from a high state of consciousness to a lower life form less evolved consciousness species
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Thucydides wrote:

The E wrote:You misunderstand. If this phenomenon is actually the result of some psychic interaction, and if said interaction can be proven to exist without doubt, where are the second-order effects? Why isn't there a marketable product or training technique based on these findings? Why isn't there more research?

That's the questions I want you to ask yourself. If these results are as unassailable as you believe, why aren't we seeing something based on them anywhere in the world?

This should make your argument stronger:
http://xkcd.com/808/

Thucydides wrote:
This should make your argument stronger:
http://xkcd.com/808/

Or possibly not.

Ask around a bit, dowsing is actually used by a bundle of oil prospectors, even if the improvements of technical means in the last decades have made the users dwindle.
Wether it is effective? Pretty much impossible to say, as perception and skill can easily be the component that makes it work.
More commonly however is people using dowsing to find water. And regardless of wether that has any part in it, those doing that tend to be successful quite reliably.

Remote viewing has been tried repeatedly by intelligence services during the last century.
Especially USA spent a crapload of cash on it after rumours about USSR having success with it.
Aside from the occasional and rare possible success, it was a big chunk of fail and wasted money. And the few successes were questionable anyway.

Auras is actually right now being looked at as a way to improve diagnostic ability, it´s just another way of looking at bioelectric fields and try to figure out something useful from them.
Combined with tera-herz imagery and IR sensors, it looks like it could become useful, eventually at least.

Homeopathy cant even be scientifically tested due to the holistic approach(ie treating every person individually).

And in regards to "remote prayer", well it´s not the same thing but science have actually been able to notice at a distance when enough people meditate... Weird but apparently true as it has been repeated.

Crystals, or more generally crystalline materials have some very fun properties, even though i haven´t the faintest what the cartoon specifically refers to with "crystal energy", there´s some interesting prospects to be looked at...

I hate to say this remote viewing just went private...which means no congressional scrutiny. It's kind of like private companies being involved in the intelligence business. They are not scrutinized by Congress and they operate under a much different set of rules. The truth is we live in strange world and who really knows what the truth is...

Tenshinai wrote:

Thucydides wrote:
This should make your argument stronger:
http://xkcd.com/808/

Or possibly not.

Ask around a bit, dowsing is actually used by a bundle of oil prospectors, even if the improvements of technical means in the last decades have made the users dwindle.
Wether it is effective? Pretty much impossible to say, as perception and skill can easily be the component that makes it work.
More commonly however is people using dowsing to find water. And regardless of wether that has any part in it, those doing that tend to be successful quite reliably.

Remote viewing has been tried repeatedly by intelligence services during the last century.
Especially USA spent a crapload of cash on it after rumours about USSR having success with it.
Aside from the occasional and rare possible success, it was a big chunk of fail and wasted money. And the few successes were questionable anyway.

Auras is actually right now being looked at as a way to improve diagnostic ability, it´s just another way of looking at bioelectric fields and try to figure out something useful from them.
Combined with tera-herz imagery and IR sensors, it looks like it could become useful, eventually at least.

Homeopathy cant even be scientifically tested due to the holistic approach(ie treating every person individually).

And in regards to "remote prayer", well it´s not the same thing but science have actually been able to notice at a distance when enough people meditate... Weird but apparently true as it has been repeated.

Crystals, or more generally crystalline materials have some very fun properties, even though i haven´t the faintest what the cartoon specifically refers to with "crystal energy", there´s some interesting prospects to be looked at...

@TheE
Why should I trust Science and the Peer Review system?

We had global warming and set of scientists that were proclaiming that all the ice sheets would melt...etc...etc...etc... They were caught red-handed falsifying the results to protect their funding and to create a global carbon tax for a global government. They were destroying other scientists in the supposedly unbiased scientific peer review systems.

The world has documented instances where science has failed to live up to their own standards. I apply that to archeology, history, and myriad of other subjects. Maybe, the known history of Earth could or can be different than what the average person is led to believe.

smr wrote:@TheE
Why should I trust Science and the Peer Review system?

We had global warming and set of scientists that were proclaiming that all the ice sheets would melt...etc...etc...etc... They were caught red-handed falsifying the results to protect their funding and to create a global carbon tax for a global government. They were destroying other scientists in the supposedly unbiased scientific peer review systems.

The world has documented instances where science has failed to live up to their own standards. I apply that to archeology, history, and myriad of other subjects. Maybe, the known history of Earth could or can be different than what the average person is led to believe.

So because you think one set of scientists is wrong (never mind that all scientists/climatologists aren't in 100% agreement), you think the rest can/will be wrong? That's really reaching for justification to push your view of what you think science/world history is/should be. 'Because one group was/is wrong/caught falsifying data, they might/are all wrong!' isn't sound reasoning, or science.

smr wrote:@TheE
Why should I trust Science and the Peer Review system?

We had global warming and set of scientists that were proclaiming that all the ice sheets would melt...etc...etc...etc...

Over time, noone said it was going to happen in the next decade.

And the last 10 years has had the most open water per year in the Arctic as far back there is ANY knowledge about it.
Even icecores dating from the Medieval warm period suggests the polar ice had a continously greater extent than now.

In case you missed it, the mainline predictions about warming is actually being outrun by realworld events. The melting on Greenland is a decade or even two ahead of what was expected 20 years ago.

smr wrote:They were caught red-handed falsifying the results to protect their funding and to create a global carbon tax for a global government. They were destroying other scientists in the supposedly unbiased scientific peer review systems.

Barely a handful of people. Among several thousands. And they were unable to get away with it exactly because of peer review caught them.

smr wrote:The world has documented instances where science has failed to live up to their own standards. I apply that to archeology, history, and myriad of other subjects. Maybe, the known history of Earth could or can be different than what the average person is led to believe.

Yes, but do you really expect guessing or wishful thinking is going to be better at predicting how things work? Yeah right!