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roseandheather wrote:As a lifelong fan of the Chicago Cubs, I would like to join you in solidarity for the worst kind of pain a baseball fan can feel.

Amaroq wrote:Does anyone else hope that the RMN never gets re-named the IMN (Imperial Manticoran Navy)? I suppose that the latter term is more correct because Manticore is an empire now but I just don't like the sound of it. Besides, for the entirety of the story it's been the Royal Manticoran Navy and something about the name just seems right.

Amaroq wrote:Does anyone else hope that the RMN never gets re-named the IMN (Imperial Manticoran Navy)? I suppose that the latter term is more correct because Manticore is an empire now but I just don't like the sound of it. Besides, for the entirety of the story it's been the Royal Manticoran Navy and something about the name just seems right.

cthia wrote:

SWM wrote:*quote="cthia"*

You may be right Hutch. I only vaguely remember a passage which stated that all of the passengers 'who wanted' to leave did. My memory is a bit hazy, but I thought some chose to remain behind - that were not PRH citizens. Although I couldn't guarantee it.*quote*
Many did choose to stay behind. But there was no mention of Manticorans among them, and it seems likely that all Manticorans would have wanted to leave. There weren't that many Manticorans on Hades to start with.

crewdude48 wrote:
In fact, you could make a very good case that any sailor from an Alliance navy on planet that was offered the chance to escape and didn't would be guilty of desertion and dereliction of duty. Their duty is to continue the fight to protect their home world from the PRH, regardless of danger to themselves. Furthermore, Fleet Admeral (GSN) Herrington had every right, as senior Alliance officer on planet, to order any Allied military person to participate in the escape. So they would also be guilty of disobeying a lawful order. At least two of those are capital crimes in wartime, so I doubt that any Allied personell were left on planet.

I'm sure that you're both right. My memory is fuzzy. I only read that book once. I thought that it was Rear Admiral Style's blustering and overall lack of support and confidence in the plan that frightened some into electing to remain out of fear of StateSec reprisal. I'm probably wrong. No need to be afraid of capital crimes while forever stuck in hell.

lyonheart wrote:
Hi Cythia,

You only read EoH once?

Is it within easy access for you?

I'm shocked and dismayed, its one of my favorites.

Well, all of them are my favorites, with all sorts of post-it notes, as RFC knows, and I've gone through some of them again recently, when questions arise regarding exactly who did or said what etc.

From the textev of EoH, there were no Manticoran or other allies remaining behind, indeed HH's problem was finding enough navy veterans for her Elysian Space Navy, barely 6000 out of over 600,000 prisoners.

While Horace Harkness [another HH ] might have ruined the personnel files, they had to turn over control of Camp Sharon to those remaining behind including the pinnaces and shuttles to keep distributing the food until the SS etc finally showed up again, since some 217+K [~35%] remained behind.

I suspect they wanted their records intact to indicate they were worthy or repatriation etc.

While they didn't know it, Eloise's probable 'rescue and release' might have happened within 18-20 T-month's.

L

cthia wrote:

SWM wrote:*quote="cthia"*

You may be right Hutch. I only vaguely remember a passage which stated that all of the passengers 'who wanted' to leave did. My memory is a bit hazy, but I thought some chose to remain behind - that were not PRH citizens. Although I couldn't guarantee it.*quote*
Many did choose to stay behind. But there was no mention of Manticorans among them, and it seems likely that all Manticorans would have wanted to leave. There weren't that many Manticorans on Hades to start with.

crewdude48 wrote:
In fact, you could make a very good case that any sailor from an Alliance navy on planet that was offered the chance to escape and didn't would be guilty of desertion and dereliction of duty. Their duty is to continue the fight to protect their home world from the PRH, regardless of danger to themselves. Furthermore, Fleet Admeral (GSN) Herrington had every right, as senior Alliance officer on planet, to order any Allied military person to participate in the escape. So they would also be guilty of disobeying a lawful order. At least two of those are capital crimes in wartime, so I doubt that any Allied personell were left on planet.

I'm sure that you're both right. My memory is fuzzy. I only read that book once. I thought that it was Rear Admiral Style's blustering and overall lack of support and confidence in the plan that frightened some into electing to remain out of fear of StateSec reprisal. I'm probably wrong. No need to be afraid of capital crimes while forever stuck in hell.

Stop that, she scolded herself. They may never have been tested by another ship, but Kare and his crowd have put over sixty probes into this terminus to compile the readings your precious numbers are based on! Which was true, as far as it went. On the other hand, she reflected with another almost-smile, not a single one of those probes has ever come back again, has it now?
Of course they hadn't. Nothing smaller than a starship could mount a hyper generator, and only something with a hyper generator could hope to pass through a wormhole junction terminus. The scientists' probes had reported faithfully right up to the moment they encountered the interface of the terminus itself, at which point they had simply ceased to exist.
Unlike them, Zachary's ship did have a hyper generator. Which mean Harvest Joy could pass safely through the hyper-space interface which had destroyed the probes . . . probably. Whether or not she would survive whatever lay on the other side of it was another matter, of course. After all, there were all of those deliciously terrifying, venerable legends about the rogue wormholes whose termini deposited doomed travelers directly into the heart of a black hole or some other suitably lethal destination. Not that anyone had ever actually found a wormhole where warships made transit in but never made transit out again.
As if anyone were about to let anything as boring as reality interfere with perfectly good legends, she told herself, and glanced sideways at Kare.
If the astrophysicist cherished any concerns of his own, they were admirably concealed. He stood at the astrogator's shoulder, blue-gray eyes intent as he watched Harvest Joy's progress with total concentration, and the mere fact of his presence ought to be reassuring. Certainly, the RMAIA would scarcely have allowed its chief scientist, his three senior assistants, and over two hundred of its other scientific personnel to depart aboard Harvest Joy if it hadn't been completely confident of their safety, Zachary thought.

cthia wrote:Oops, I forgot to post. Are wormholes and resonance zones visible phenomena in the Honorverse? Were they discovered mostly via happenstance instead of calculation?

Surely the tales about emerging into the heart of blackholes are simply ... tales. I don't understand what the scientists expected from the probes ... other than the coordinates of interface and the magnitude of interference, suggesting optimal entry point/space.

And now it's been discovered that Congo's system has a wormhole junction with no fewer than three termini. Since the wormhole was first found by Mesan interests only a short while ago, the presumption is that at least one of them connects to the Solarian League. But nobody really knows where its termini lead to, except the Mesans

And, of course, her very own wormhole junction.
With termini whose locations none of her people, so far, knew the least thing about, since Manpower either hadn't explored them itself or had managed to destroy the data before it lost Congo.

Frankly, despite the rumors to the contrary, I'll be surprised if there's more than one additional terminus associated with it—it looks a lot like one end of a two-loci system, what we call a 'wormhole bridge,' unlike the multi-loci 'junctions' like the Manticore Junction.

roseandheather wrote:

Amaroq wrote:Does anyone else hope that the RMN never gets re-named the IMN (Imperial Manticoran Navy)? I suppose that the latter term is more correct because Manticore is an empire now but I just don't like the sound of it. Besides, for the entirety of the story it's been the Royal Manticoran Navy and something about the name just seems right.

Even at the height of the British Empire, the Navy was still the Royal Navy. I think we're safe.