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Re: Information I'd love to know
Post by roseandheather   » Tue Jul 08, 2014 2:06 pm

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runsforcelery wrote:Rose's analysis of Dame Estelle's initial attitude towards Khumalo is pretty much spot on. She does somewhat overestimate the Baroness' attitudes towards naval officers in general, but the fact that Estelle has a niece in BuShips fifteen or twenty years after meeting Honor doesn't necessarily mean that she's known "plenty" of good officers. I will concede that by this point in her career she's known a lot more good officers than bad officers, however. On the other hand, Khumalo was a political appointee to a naval station clearly regarded as of minor and secondary importance by the same Admiralty which had sent Pavel Young to Basilisk. I think it is, therefore, fair to suggest that her initial reaction to him most definitely was affected by her view of "political naval officers" and of the disastrous consequences of command appointments made on the basis of factional political policy. She'd been there, done that, and she had the T-shirt.

She hadn't studied Terekhov's record any more closely than she'd studied the records of any other naval officers assigned to the Talbott Quadrant, particularly since she didn't know he was coming ahead of time. On the other hand, Terekhov was well known in naval circles because of his actions at Hyacinth, and if you will recall, he had quite a successful Foreign Office career before returning to active duty after the outbreak of the actual shooting war. During that time, he and Dame Estelle had been working in the same field for the same superiors.

Rose's analysis of Khumalo's perception of himself — and the perceptions of him held by others — is pretty darned accurate, as is the moment at which others realize (even before he did) that he'd "found his moment." The fact that he was a distant relative of the Queen, that his membership in the Conservative Association made him (somewhat unquestioningly) acceptable to High Ridge and Janacek, and that the Talbott Sector was generally regarded as a place which required a competent administrator but not necessarily a competent military commander had, indeed, been the primary reasons for his appointment to Talbott in the first place. Of course, as Michael Oversteegen demonstrates, the Conservative Association has its own . . . political gradients within its membership, and Janacek and High Ridge would have been quite surprised if they'd discovered exactly what Augustus Khumalo's view of their policies truly was even prior to Monica.


:shock: :o

:mrgreen:

...that sound you just heard was me hitting the floor in a dead faint.

*grabs nearest stuffed animal, squeals into its fur and makes joyful squeaking noises whilst kicking feet like an excited three-year-old*
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Re: Information I'd love to know
Post by Weird Harold   » Tue Jul 08, 2014 6:17 pm

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kzt wrote:Secretary of the Treasury in the US.


Not really.

There is no position in the US government comparable to "Chancellor of the Exchequer" which is a position in a "Parliamentary Government" such as Manticore's.

Perhaps an examination the English/UK cabinet responsibilities might shed some light on a closer comparison?
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Re: Information I'd love to know
Post by KNick   » Tue Jul 08, 2014 8:05 pm

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roseandheather wrote:
runsforcelery wrote:Rose's analysis of Dame Estelle's initial attitude towards Khumalo is pretty much spot on. She does somewhat overestimate the Baroness' attitudes towards naval officers in general, but the fact that Estelle has a niece in BuShips fifteen or twenty years after meeting Honor doesn't necessarily mean that she's known "plenty" of good officers. I will concede that by this point in her career she's known a lot more good officers than bad officers, however. On the other hand, Khumalo was a political appointee to a naval station clearly regarded as of minor and secondary importance by the same Admiralty which had sent Pavel Young to Basilisk. I think it is, therefore, fair to suggest that her initial reaction to him most definitely was affected by her view of "political naval officers" and of the disastrous consequences of command appointments made on the basis of factional political policy. She'd been there, done that, and she had the T-shirt.

She hadn't studied Terekhov's record any more closely than she'd studied the records of any other naval officers assigned to the Talbott Quadrant, particularly since she didn't know he was coming ahead of time. On the other hand, Terekhov was well known in naval circles because of his actions at Hyacinth, and if you will recall, he had quite a successful Foreign Office career before returning to active duty after the outbreak of the actual shooting war. During that time, he and Dame Estelle had been working in the same field for the same superiors.

Rose's analysis of Khumalo's perception of himself — and the perceptions of him held by others — is pretty darned accurate, as is the moment at which others realize (even before he did) that he'd "found his moment." The fact that he was a distant relative of the Queen, that his membership in the Conservative Association made him (somewhat unquestioningly) acceptable to High Ridge and Janacek, and that the Talbott Sector was generally regarded as a place which required a competent administrator but not necessarily a competent military commander had, indeed, been the primary reasons for his appointment to Talbott in the first place. Of course, as Michael Oversteegen demonstrates, the Conservative Association has its own . . . political gradients within its membership, and Janacek and High Ridge would have been quite surprised if they'd discovered exactly what Augustus Khumalo's view of their policies truly was even prior to Monica.


:shock: :o

:mrgreen:

...that sound you just heard was me hitting the floor in a dead faint.

*grabs nearest stuffed animal, squeals into its fur and makes joyful squeaking noises whilst kicking feet like an excited three-year-old*


Hey now. Wait just a minute here. You mean you're not actually a spoiled three year old?
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Re: Information I'd love to know
Post by roseandheather   » Tue Jul 08, 2014 8:07 pm

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KNick wrote:Hey now. Wait just a minute here. You mean you're not actually a spoiled three year old?


Yes, KNick. Yes. You've caught me. In my three short years on Earth I have managed to read the entire Honorverse and developed enough cognitive ability to critically analyze the relationships between different characters as well as the political dynamics of various fictional multi-star-system nations.

Also, I know what sex is.

Oh darn! I have been found out!

:roll: :lol:

(In all seriousness, yes, being told by the author of a book series I desperately love that my analysis of two characters and their relationship which I also desperately love is pretty much bang on was, in fact, enough to bring out my inner excited three-year-old. Can you blame a girl?? :mrgreen: )
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Re: Information I'd love to know
Post by cthia   » Tue Jul 08, 2014 8:56 pm

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roseandheather wrote:
runsforcelery wrote:
Rose's analysis of Dame Estelle's initial attitude towards Khumalo is pretty much spot on. She does somewhat overestimate the Baroness' attitudes towards naval officers in general, but the fact that Estelle has a niece in BuShips fifteen or twenty years after meeting Honor doesn't necessarily mean that she's known "plenty" of good officers. I will concede that by this point in her career she's known a lot more good officers than bad officers, however. On the other hand, Khumalo was a political appointee to a naval station clearly regarded as of minor and secondary importance by the same Admiralty which had sent Pavel Young to Basilisk. I think it is, therefore, fair to suggest that her initial reaction to him most definitely was affected by her view of "political naval officers" and of the disastrous consequences of command appointments made on the basis of factional political policy. She'd been there, done that, and she had the T-shirt.

She hadn't studied Terekhov's record any more closely than she'd studied the records of any other naval officers assigned to the Talbott Quadrant, particularly since she didn't know he was coming ahead of time. On the other hand, Terekhov was well known in naval circles because of his actions at Hyacinth, and if you will recall, he had quite a successful Foreign Office career before returning to active duty after the outbreak of the actual shooting war. During that time, he and Dame Estelle had been working in the same field for the same superiors.

Rose's analysis of Khumalo's perception of himself — and the perceptions of him held by others — is pretty darned accurate, as is the moment at which others realize (even before he did) that he'd "found his moment." The fact that he was a distant relative of the Queen, that his membership in the Conservative Association made him (somewhat unquestioningly) acceptable to High Ridge and Janacek, and that the Talbott Sector was generally regarded as a place which required a competent administrator but not necessarily a competent military commander had, indeed, been the primary reasons for his appointment to Talbott in the first place. Of course, as Michael Oversteegen demonstrates, the Conservative Association has its own . . . political gradients within its membership, and Janacek and High Ridge would have been quite surprised if they'd discovered exactly what Augustus Khumalo's view of their policies truly was even prior to Monica.


:shock: :o

:mrgreen:

...that sound you just heard was me hitting the floor in a dead faint.

*grabs nearest stuffed animal, squeals into its fur and makes joyful squeaking noises whilst kicking feet like an excited three-year-old*

KNick wrote:
Hey now. Wait just a minute here. You mean you're not actually a spoiled three year old?

Aww, KNick is just joshing. He's actually happy for you, as we all are. That was such a bang up analysis. I can't say it enough. And since I asked the question ... I feel special too.

Remember the old shake-n-bake commercial? "And I helped." :D :lol:

http://youtu.be/bB7j3sUWohE

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Re: Information I'd love to know
Post by dreamrider   » Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:14 pm

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Rose,
come to Honorcon, Marscon, or Manticon...

and you'll get to meet him...and Sharon.

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Re: Information I'd love to know
Post by roseandheather   » Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:23 pm

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dreamrider wrote:Rose,
come to Honorcon, Marscon, or Manticon...

and you'll get to meet him...and Sharon.

dreamrider


Moving to Scotland in six weeks.

Have HonorCon 2018 already on my calendar. :mrgreen:

cthia wrote:That was such a bang up analysis. I can't say it enough. And since I asked the question ... I feel special too.


Haha, you should!!

I have to admit, it's going to go down as one of the proudest moments of my life. :D 8-) :mrgreen:
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Re: Information I'd love to know
Post by dreamrider   » Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:09 pm

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Are you going to school there? (based on timeframe)

In any case, congratulations. I envy you.
If I get the family back to GB in the intervening, can we come visit?

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Re: Information I'd love to know
Post by roseandheather   » Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:29 pm

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dreamrider wrote:Are you going to school there? (based on timeframe)

In any case, congratulations. I envy you.
If I get the family back to GB in the intervening, can we come visit?

dreamrider


Well spotted. :P Yes, I am. And yes, you absolutely may! Edinburgh is a lovely city. :mrgreen: But I have determined that I will be at the 25th Anniversary HonorCon come hell, high water, or the Apocalypse. 8-)

Ohhh, you know what I want to know?

I want more of a window into Estelle's life. Hobbies? General day-to-day existence? Late-night chats about nothing and everything with Augustus?

Shower scene? :mrgreen:
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"You'll remember me when the west wind moves upon the fields of barley..."
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Re: Information I'd love to know
Post by dreamrider   » Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:40 pm

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roseandheather wrote:
dreamrider wrote:Are you going to school there? (based on timeframe)

In any case, congratulations. I envy you.
If I get the family back to GB in the intervening, can we come visit?

dreamrider


Well spotted. :P Yes, I am. And yes, you absolutely may! Edinburgh is a lovely city. :mrgreen: But I have determined that I will be at the 25th Anniversary HonorCon come hell, high water, or the Apocalypse. 8-)

Ohhh, you know what I want to know?

I want more of a window into Estelle's life. Hobbies? General day-to-day existence? Late-night chats about nothing and everything with Augustus?

Shower scene? :mrgreen:


Keep an eye on the Author/Upcoming Events tab. David will probably be at a GB con again within a couple of years. He goes to Poland every year recently.

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