Rediscovery of Technology

Just because there is no evidence of a major worldwide flood, does not mean that major civilization-destroying floods have not taken place. There is, in fact, quite a lot of evidence that many such floods have taken place.

It is important here to remember NOT to confuse our modern understanding of the world with ancient concepts of 'world'. In ancient times, travel over long distances was both difficult and extremely hazardous. People might have been aware of the existence of distant lands, but such awareness would have been sketchy at best. As such, their 'world' would have been limited to the lands they had regular contact with - especially if their entire 'world' was centred on a major geographical landmark, such as the twin rivers of Mesopotamia or the Nile valley. If a major flood then did strike (as it happened many times in Mesopotamia over the millennia), they may be excused for telling stories of how their entire 'world' was devastated by a 'worldwide' deluge.

I don't hold with speculation re pre-flood civilizations with highly-advanced technology bases, but yes, 'world-destroying' floods did in fact take place many times in many regions of the world in ancient times.

It's kinda of off-topic but it deals with psychic powers. The program last at 5 mins and 30 seconds.

http://dailygrail.com/Mind-Mysteries/20 ... Coming-Hom

This was one of many experiments.

hanuman wrote:Just because there is no evidence of a major worldwide flood, does not mean that major civilization-destroying floods have not taken place. There is, in fact, quite a lot of evidence that many such floods have taken place.

It is important here to remember NOT to confuse our modern understanding of the world with ancient concepts of 'world'. In ancient times, travel over long distances was both difficult and extremely hazardous. People might have been aware of the existence of distant lands, but such awareness would have been sketchy at best. As such, their 'world' would have been limited to the lands they had regular contact with - especially if their entire 'world' was centred on a major geographical landmark, such as the twin rivers of Mesopotamia or the Nile valley. If a major flood then did strike (as it happened many times in Mesopotamia over the millennia), they may be excused for telling stories of how their entire 'world' was devastated by a 'worldwide' deluge.

I don't hold with speculation re pre-flood civilizations with highly-advanced technology bases, but yes, 'world-destroying' floods did in fact take place many times in many regions of the world in ancient times.

smr wrote:It's kinda of off-topic but it deals with psychic powers. The program last at 5 mins and 30 seconds.

http://dailygrail.com/Mind-Mysteries/20 ... Coming-Hom

This was one of many experiments.

I'll start believing in psychic bullshit when the JREF prize is paid out.

Hey there is Professor that used Remote viewing to predict if the Stock Market would go up or down.

http://www.dailygrail.com/Mind-Mysterie ... ock-Market

The E wrote:

smr wrote:It's kinda of off-topic but it deals with psychic powers. The program last at 5 mins and 30 seconds.

http://dailygrail.com/Mind-Mysteries/20 ... Coming-Hom

This was one of many experiments.

I'll start believing in psychic bullshit when the JREF prize is paid out.

smr wrote:Hey there is Professor that used Remote viewing to predict if the Stock Market would go up or down.

http://www.dailygrail.com/Mind-Mysterie ... ock-Market

Has he claimed the JREF prize? If no, why not?

The E wrote:
I'll start believing in psychic bullshit when the JREF prize is paid out.

Hah, don´t hold your breath. That prize will never be paid out, regardless if conditions are fulfilled or not.

After an email "conversation" with mr Randi a decade ago i have completely ZERO faith in him, he completely lacks objectivity or impartiality and just rants on about his favourite prevarications.

I will let the subject remain unstated, but i´ll say that it was in no way hostile to him in any way, and my initial email was simply a few questions in regards to his views.

And the answer to that email was a piece of rubbish i have never seen the like of. It wasn´t a reply to my email at all, just a long and completely stupid rant.

When i finally got him to answer some emails later, his answers failed scientifically and logically. They essentially amounted to "because i said so", and that attitude in regards to physics, it´s just delusional.


You can also find that he stacks up his "tests" to make sure nothing potentially "paranormal" ever gets to be "true".

A classic is an event he did for Discovery Channel, about dowsing. All "contestants" got to try finding water and metal and then the results were put together. Sounds nice?

Yeah well, the dowsers actually had fairly decent results in finding water, well above what chance should allow. But they were pisspoor with metals. The total result was almost perfectly aligned with what random chance should give.

But the deviation within the separate sort of tests were not.
And that is "proof" according to Randi.

He also keeps touting "unstable equilibrium" and "ideomotor" as explanations for almost anything. As part of my "conversation" with him i suggested blatantly simple methods for completely removing the effects either of those could have on tests and asked why such a thing had not been done before...

That caused an explosion worthy of a supervolcano. He wasn´t even coherent in his reply to that.


So if you want someone impartial or objective, do not look towards James Randi, because he´s running his own crusade and isn´t the slightest interested in hard logic or facts.

smr wrote:It's kinda of off-topic but it deals with psychic powers. The program last at 5 mins and 30 seconds.

http://dailygrail.com/Mind-Mysteries/20 ... Coming-Hom

This was one of many experiments.

The vast majority of events relating to pets knowing this or that, can usually be found to be the result of very simple and "normal" things.

The single most common? Dogs(and cats) can hear well outside of the human range, and can learn extremely well to differentiate between sound patterns.

Testing have shown that some dogs can hear when their owners car is coming, from several hundred meters away, even in the middle of a large, very noisy city during rush hour.

And both cats and dogs have shown to have internal timekeeping that is very good indeed (similar to how some people can go to sleep and decide that they will wake in X hours, and then do so).


Beyond that, there has been some events/tests that have shown potential of some sort of "paranormal" connection between people(and animals) in general. Personally i doubt that it should be called "paranormal", as i expect it´s just a facet of life not yet fully explored. To say it simple and silly, the universe is all connected so why shouldn´t parts of it also be?(or at least have the potential)

Tenshinai wrote:

The E wrote:
I'll start believing in psychic bullshit when the JREF prize is paid out.

Hah, don´t hold your breath. That prize will never be paid out, regardless if conditions are fulfilled or not.

Then make it any properly peer-reviewed, documented, repeatable experiment. I don't particularly care about the specifics of who performs the test, so long as the results can be properly verified in independent studies.

The E wrote:
Then make it any properly peer-reviewed, documented, repeatable experiment. I don't particularly care about the specifics of who performs the test, so long as the results can be properly verified in independent studies.

Done. Some US universities did some off and on research in the 60s to 80s.
(some other serious experiments have been done, but those were the most extensive and public)

They DID manage to get something repeatable enough to warrant further research. But then it became branded as unacceptable "hocus pocus" and seems to have been more or less dumped.

The most noted experiment used random distrubution systems and asked people to try to mess with the randomness. Some people constantly succeeded in doing so. Others not at all and some sometimes.


From an objective point of view, my guess is that there is "something" to be found, but that it is unstable enough that like with so many other things that involves "life", it cannot be perfectly scientifically predictable.

Let me guess, You did not watch the 5 minute! This would have answered your questions within your post.

The dog repeatedly went to the window when she decided to home (7 second delay). Notice, they synch the the two cameras. She tried walking home, taking a cab, have a friend drive home, and ride home. This is one example of the many experiments conducted in the name of science on this subject.

Tenshinai wrote:

smr wrote:It's kinda of off-topic but it deals with psychic powers. The program last at 5 mins and 30 seconds.

http://dailygrail.com/Mind-Mysteries/20 ... Coming-Hom

This was one of many experiments.

The vast majority of events relating to pets knowing this or that, can usually be found to be the result of very simple and "normal" things.

The single most common? Dogs(and cats) can hear well outside of the human range, and can learn extremely well to differentiate between sound patterns.

Testing have shown that some dogs can hear when their owners car is coming, from several hundred meters away, even in the middle of a large, very noisy city during rush hour.

And both cats and dogs have shown to have internal timekeeping that is very good indeed (similar to how some people can go to sleep and decide that they will wake in X hours, and then do so).


Beyond that, there has been some events/tests that have shown potential of some sort of "paranormal" connection between people(and animals) in general. Personally i doubt that it should be called "paranormal", as i expect it´s just a facet of life not yet fully explored. To say it simple and silly, the universe is all connected so why shouldn´t parts of it also be?(or at least have the potential)