Perhaps this is what you were thinking of, that I found on HoS page 394 for the dead tree version, ~68% on my Kindle, near the beginning of the SD section; to the effect that having "even a single battle squadron automatically propels a naval force into one of the top two dozen or so navies in the galaxy."
So only 24+ navies have 8 or more wallers according to HoS/'Jaynes' [my old breakdown is pretty close
], presumed to be SD's or DN's, not BB's from the context.Besides the 7 navies we know by name that have SD's; by size or numbers there's the SLN, RHN, RMN, IAN, GSN, BSDF and Erewhon SN, plus the majority of the RF have large SDF's but whether these all include SD's is another point we don't know.
While the RMN and peeps combined averaged about 20% wallers in 1905, I doubt the navies with up to a hundred hyper warships to have a battle squadron, ie a few perhaps only 2-3 for scarecrow and ceremonial duties.
I suspect most of the SDF's that do might be range be closer to 10% than 20%, though there's a reference somewhere that the SDF's have a thousand or two.
L
PS: A wormhole map would be so helpful, is one in the works for the next book?
Theemile wrote:**quote**lyonheart wrote:Hi TheEmile,
What's the basis for your reference to '25 SDF's with 25 or more capital ships'?
Is this a 1% of SL rule?
That's rather fascinating, actually.
But I don't think the protectorates should be included, since they're not permitted warships etc.
We have the textev from SFtS that stated Crandall's TG massed more than 95% of the extant or real navies [including the non-SL verge], is that what you're referring to?
So it depends on your definition of a 'real' navy, and given only a third of the SL had hyper warships in their SDF's, many perhaps half or more of those have too few to be considered 'real' navies.
The number in SFtS might refer to all those that at least had a BC or CA, but we're just guessing.
The 1% ratio seems very interesting.
L
**quote="Theemile"**While most core worlds have their own SDFs, the question is how many have just a hundred or so LACS, or just some hyper combatants?
We know there are 25 or so navies (the top 1%) that have 25 or more BB-SDs. Another 25 or so have 3-24. And another 50 have 1-2 white elephants. So just ~4% of navies in the universe have 1 or more BB-SDs.
But that doesn't say anything about defenses.
In particuliar RFC never mentioned forts in the above calculus. While Manticore had ~300 DNs and SDs in 1905, it had ~120 forts around the Manticore junction which all massed >16 MTons (or if you do the math, about the same mass in Wallers as in Junction Forts, if the Forts did not have the advantage) as well as Forts around the planets, the Gregor terminus (mentioned in HaE) and being built at Basilisk.
In short, the RMN, an active navy who policed it own merchant marine across the cosmos, who was planning on a multisystem war had as much mass tied up in forts as it did mobile units.
So a peacetime SDF, whose interstellar commerce is protected by the SLN's FF, only needs to police their claimed volume - and will probably be Fort heavy. Forts are a permanent fixture - an infrastructure improvement. something Politicians can point to. Ships go away - they are an agressive statement, with agressive intent. Forts are only defensive - they are that ever present reminder that your children are safe and your government cares that they are.
As to the mention that the breakway systems will lay claim to part of the SLN - if every of the ~1780 SL Systems get their equal share of the SL's Battlefleet right now, they will each get 5-6 SDs - just enough for a mild workout for a Sag-C division.
The origial 25 wallers/1% comes from early in the series - I believe OBS, but I don't have my notes with me atm. the full 4% comes from a dump from MWW about 2-3 years ago when the question of the number of systems which had 1-2 BBs and how many large polities like those in the Haven Quadrant poped up. The answer was some additional powerful extra league polities, but not alot.
The 1% is the top 1% of all navies in the Honorverse that are big enough to field over 3 squadrons of wallers (BBs count here too) David did say that most of the systems with Wallers were in the SL, and there were very few minor powers outside the SL on peer with the Havenite quadrant powers in 1904.
As for the definition of a Navy - you got me. David didn't mention a bottom litmus test, So
As far as I know, If you have a planet and you have a LAC, you have a navy. But the statement was definitely "Navies" not the power of the "Polities", so a defenseless state like a Protectorate would not be in that calculation.
