Titles and ranks of Safehold

hanuman wrote:

AirTech wrote:Generally Grand Duke is a notch above Prince and is generally the ruler of a territory physically isolated from the royal house to which he owes nominal direct fealty. The fall of the original royal house casts these adrift as this is not a national link but a feudal relationship (i.e. personal not national relation to the crown).
Luxemburg is a typical example with fealty originally owed to the Holy Roman Empire and the Netherlands.

I'll not argue your point re the relative ranking of the two titles, but a Principality such as Liechtenstein originally had the same kind of direct personal relationship with the crown as Grand Duchies did. There were no level of fealty between the ruler of a Principality and the monarch, unlike lesser titles.

DrakBibliophile wrote:I suspect that we're "confused" by how the terms were used on Earth.

I suspect that on Safehold the titles depend on how much territory/population the title-holder controls instead of who the title-holder is sworn to.

IE the Safehold Church defined a "Duke" as having so much territory/population.

A "Grand Duke" would control more territory/population than a "Duke".

A "Prince" would control even more and so forth.

The above likely applies to "independent" rulers. IE only answering to the Church not to another ruler.

DrakBibliophile wrote:I suspect that we're "confused" by how the terms were used on Earth.

I suspect that on Safehold the titles depend on how much territory/population the title-holder controls instead of who the title-holder is sworn to.

IE the Safehold Church defined a "Duke" as having so much territory/population.

A "Grand Duke" would control more territory/population than a "Duke".

A "Prince" would control even more and so forth.

The above likely applies to "independent" rulers. IE only answering to the Church not to another ruler.

hanuman wrote:**quote="AirTech"**
Generally Grand Duke is a notch above Prince and is generally the ruler of a territory physically isolated from the royal house to which he owes nominal direct fealty. The fall of the original royal house casts these adrift as this is not a national link but a feudal relationship (i.e. personal not national relation to the crown).
Luxemburg is a typical example with fealty originally owed to the Holy Roman Empire and the Netherlands.**quote**

I'll not argue your point re the relative ranking of the two titles, but a Principality such as Liechtenstein originally had the same kind of direct personal relationship with the crown as Grand Duchies did. There were no level of fealty between the ruler of a Principality and the monarch, unlike lesser titles.

lyonheart wrote:Hi Drak,

I agree with your post except from the maps there are some barons with more land than dukes, NTM some relatively small kingdoms in the border states, without determining the status of Selkar and Myratha, so it seems very arbitrary NTM human.

Weird Harold wrote:
I suspect that within any given Kingdom/Empire there is a bit more order than there is over the entire planet. Also, oodles of land with little to no population probably only rates a Baron even if the demesne should be raised to a Duky when properly developed and populated.