Rediscovery of Technology

[One, it's a not a natural occurring object. After that, I do not care to speculate because I'm am a half a world away.

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smr wrote:http://www.ancient-origins.net/ancient-technology/150000-year-old-pipes-baffle-scientists-china-out-place-time-001783

a solid proof of a 150,000 year old pipe!

You do realise that there´s THREE natural explanations mentioned as well?

All 3 being MUCH more likely than "prehistoric humans did it". Regardless if you think the latter possible or not.[/quote]

smr wrote:One, it's a not a natural occurring object. After that, I do not care to speculate because I'm am a half a world away.

Well there´s your problem... You ARE speculating and you ignore that even your own article include plausible explanations(well 2 plausible and 1 possible but unlikely) that would make it a "naturally occuring object".

One, I live in the US and it's hard to prove or disprove evidence of a 150,000 year old pipe in China.

Two, the evidence quoted came from the China government. Also, they cited first known habitation was 30,000 years ago. A) There is a previous civilization that is not known to the World. OR B) Their was civilization of ET's at that time. Now, I believe in answer A but can not rule out B. Assuming that this evidence is real, it's either A or B. All bets are off if this evidence is not real.

Three, I have argued that modern human life aka homo sapiens have been on this planet longer than what current science or history suggests or is accepted. In the coming years, I believe science and/or history will record that their has been several catastrophic events that radically altered the Earth and almost cause the human species to become extinct more than once. Asteroids, comets, a flood of world etc...etc...Also, I believe civilization rises, flourishes, and declines due to many factors!

Fourth, I wish to apologize about 200,000 ton rock in Guatemala because the rock was 2,000 tons. It has been speculated that somehow through chemical process or some type of technology that the rock was melted to form one huge slab. The truth is the excavation or the site is currently not being worked due to the government. They site a lack of funds to properly due it justice and the funds can be applied to other excavations that bring in money and tourism.

smr wrote:O<SNIP>

A) There is a previous civilization that is not known to the World. OR B) Their was civilization of ET's at that time. Now, I believe in answer A but can not rule out B. Assuming that this evidence is real, it's either A or B. All bets are off if this evidence is not real.

Or C:- Its that thing with the tree roots the ARTICLE talks about

I will concede that there may of been civilizations older than those we know about.

But if they did exist they have left no evidence of their existence, so all evidence was either destroyed, or they lived in a very limited geographical area which has had too much geological activity for the evidence to survive.

I as almost impossible that a civilization can be destroyed so thoroughly that no evidence of their existence remains, we are still finding cave paintings made 40,000 years ago with ash, blood and mud. Any civilization is going to leave deeper traces of its existence than a tribe of ice age Hunter gatherers so I discount this option.

The other option is possible If a civilization developed somewhere that is now half a mile under lava flows, under a few hundred feet of water, or somewhere that pulled a Krakatoa, then we may never find evidence. But again I doubt a geographically limited civilization could be technologically advanced, because for that civilization to become technological it would need a wide range of materials from a large geographical area.

The third option is time travelling CIA operatives are wandering through time and destroying all the evidence before it is discovered, this is obviously the most ridiculous theory and therefore must be the true one, because they must have destroyed the evidence of their own existance

smr wrote:One, I live in the US and it's hard to prove or disprove evidence of a 150,000 year old pipe in China.

Two, the evidence quoted came from the China government. Also, they cited first known habitation was 30,000 years ago.

And we all know that the chinese government is always completely truthful and 100% correct in everything it says.

Three, I have argued that modern human life aka homo sapiens have been on this planet longer than what current science or history suggests or is accepted.

So, longer than about 200000 years? Cos that's when the first modern humans appear in the fossil record.

In the coming years, I believe science and/or history

There's a difference?

will record that their has been several catastrophic events that radically altered the Earth and almost cause the human species to become extinct more than once. Asteroids, comets, a flood of world etc...etc...Also, I believe civilization rises, flourishes, and declines due to many factors!

And what if it doesn't? What if the fossil record only shows that, for most of its existance, there just weren't enough humans around to kickstart what we'd call a civilisation?

How do we even know that it existed?
What if the bible is right and Earth was created by God in 4004 BC with evidence of things like dinosaurs and previous civilisations faked?
How would we know the difference?

And yes, I have heard this being argued seriously by a christian fundamentalist as his way of explaining why dinosaurs weren't mentioned in the Bible.

Has anyone watched the history channel, most modern man made cities would be dust in a hundred years due to natural earth processes. I know of 4 instances where life almost ended to planetary extinction events according the scientists. I happen to think their were more extinction planetary wide catastrophes or that the extinction level events happened hemispherically or continent wide.

The ocean mantle is completely replaced every 150 million years. The internet is not giving me a good answer on how long it takes the Earth to replace the continental crust. I will ask the geophysics at work the answer! The conditions for fossils to occur have to be just right.

smr wrote:Has anyone watched the history channel, most modern man made cities would be dust in a hundred years due to natural earth processes.

if humanity suddenly stopped existing. That's an important factoid there: If we aren't around to perform ongoing maintenance, then nature will reclaim everything in short order, but if we are, then structures we build will endure much longer.

I know of 4 instances where life almost ended to planetary extinction events according the scientists. I happen to think their were more extinction planetary wide catastrophes or that the extinction level events happened hemispherically or continent wide.

But your belief is not proof. Believing that science will prove you right and discounting the possibility that you are wrong, that's the problem with your position here.

smr wrote:Three, I have argued that modern human life aka homo sapiens have been on this planet longer than what current science or history suggests or is accepted.

Well, curren science isn´t exactly completely adamant on exact timing so you may not be as contrary as you think.

There´s a number of very serious researchers arguing that there MAY have been one or several more "waves" of emigration coming out of Africa, possibly as early as over 110000 years ago.

There´s also a less likely but still quite possible argument of there being an early offshoot of protohumans based somewhere between India, Iran and the Urals several tens of thousands of years ago.

In the coming years, I believe science and/or history will record that their has been several catastrophic events that radically altered the Earth and almost cause the human species to become extinct more than once. Asteroids, comets, a flood of world etc...etc...

Unlikely. Such disasters simply leave FAR too much traces for them to be missed so completely. Anything big enough is just going to leave too much of a footprint to be ignore.

Also, I believe civilization rises, flourishes, and declines due to many factors!

If you haven´t already, maybe you should try reading through the Vedas then, they are much with the same idea in some places. As well as having some interesting notions of "ancient high tech".

All bets are off if this evidence is not real.

Well that´s the problem. Most likely it ISN`T "real", in the sense of showing "ancient tech".




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Emo Otaku wrote:I as almost impossible that a civilization can be destroyed so thoroughly that no evidence of their existence remains, we are still finding cave paintings made 40,000 years ago with ash, blood and mud. Any civilization is going to leave deeper traces of its existence than a tribe of ice age Hunter gatherers so I discount this option.

That´s not really true however. Remember that popular sites for civilisations to spring up tend to be in the SAME places, meaning that there´s a window of a few thousand years until the appearance of realistic archaeology have the ability to notice traces for what they are, for the people living there in the meantime to ruin any traces of earlier settlements.

Even in North America, with "modern" settlers only there for a few hundred years, have almost completely ruined traces of earlier cultures.

And only reason that we know there were ANY such there before, are some minute traces mostly found by accident at the outskirts of modern cities.
Europe, middle east and the rest of Asia has been far more heavily settled for 10 times as long by people that were highly likely to ruin any remains of earlier civilisations.

And much of what remains might still be around, is now underneath of cities and effectively impossible to find without stupidly good luck.

The other option is possible If a civilization developed somewhere that is now half a mile under lava flows, under a few hundred feet of water, or somewhere that pulled a Krakatoa, then we may never find evidence. But again I doubt a geographically limited civilization could be technologically advanced, because for that civilization to become technological it would need a wide range of materials from a large geographical area.

Well, that depends on definition of "advanced", advanced compared to its contemporaries or advanced compared to today? And if to its own time, well then the odds are not THAT bad against some people finding a site with all materials reasonably nearby.

Also, trade is probably much more common in the ancient history than what has previously been accepted, so local materials need not be any kind of limit.

The third option is time travelling CIA operatives are wandering through time and destroying all the evidence before it is discovered, this is obviously the most ridiculous theory and therefore must be the true one, because they must have destroyed the evidence of their own existance

Those pesky bastards again! Darnit!






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The E wrote:And we all know that the chinese government is always completely truthful and 100% correct in everything it says.

Excepting some nationalist hyperbole, or when politics gets seriously involved for some reason, well actually they tend to be decently reliable.

And as noted in the article, they consider the natural explanations seriously.