Just how big is the RHN?

I think it likely that the light unit RHN number increased by 50%-100%. Replace the old SD with SDP and then add a few more gets around 800 SDP. This will be around the time of the Haven quadrant alliance is formed. Gotta factor in Haven's 36 month build time. 300 Destroyed. Another 250 builtby time of BoMA2 with at least another 100 at home as capital fleet along with others working up.

Hi Weird Harold,

Kudos, and not just because I agree with you.

The HAE textev states the AE has averaged adding a new system every decade [relatively peacefully] since 1600 PD when it already had 7 systems, IIRC, so it had added ~32 more by the time of the second Havenite war, before adding its 51+% of the SC [35+?] for around 74 systems, most of them well industrialized if not up to the SKM's and Grayson's pre-OB level.

Given 37 systems by the beginning of the twentieth century PD, the potential number of trade routes between all of them is something near the number of the beast if I've done the math right , ie (n/2)(n-1).

Of course that number could be reduced rather significantly just using a few nodal (major) and circuit (local) convoys [every 3 month's?], despite the restrictions on economic growth such delays would generate.

Which might have considerably limited the peep's economic growth trying to defend against all the commerce destroyers their conquistador thievery generated.

But RFC has posted in the past how Gustav XI essentially built a risk fleet to contest Silesia from the
SKM's protection if need be, which was smaller than what would have been needed if war had actually broken out between them.

There's textev someplace in or after HAE where HH has reported that the IAN is 3/4 the size of the RMN not the 2/3 that ONI had thought, which given several years of war construction is quite a bit more than the 820 hyper warships listed in the 1920 Fleet strength chart, besides the fact the IAN weren't engaged in a stupid build down.

So if the RMN was up to ~2000 ships by ~1909 or so, the IAN could have been around 1500 then, before another decade of building new ship types to match the RMN's; so I was expecting something at least twice what was on the chart when I got to that part of the series.

Again, RFC agreed with me at HonorCon during his book signing session [Thanks again RFC!] that the IAN escort ship figures were way low, so hopefully the Bu9 piece in HoS2 will fix that.

I've also suggested that since the AE has far more experience absorbing new systems than the SKM, the SEM has probably sent many students, bureaucrats, diplomats and other officials to study at the various Andermanni administrative colleges, institutes, and universities that specialize in such training to help handle the TQ headaches to come, not just in the TQ but what to expect back in the SKM.

Since the AE's SC systems are already part of the AE, one might find it interesting to compare the respective ex-SC citizens' satisfaction rate between the two empires.

L

Weird Harold wrote:

J6P wrote:200+ SD on a non war footing? Hmmm

I don't think the Andermani Empire is ever on a "non-war" footing. They have traditionally expanded by conquest and only paused long enough to digest the latest conquest before looking for a new target. They stayed neutral in Manticore's during Manticore's wars with Haven but continued a high readiness state waiting for their chance at Silesia.

The Andermani are basically benevolent Conquistadors, and they don't need to conquer as the PRH did, but anyone who forgets that they are at heart Conquistadors is probably going to join their empire.

Oh for Pete's sake Lyon.

We now have HoS, listing total numbers actually built.

Take crude numbers built at some date obtains just north of 2000 ships. Of course several hundred of those were retired per HoS and saw at most the first two years of the war dropping number under 2000. Now subtract several hundred others that were retired from the other classes as depicted in HoS as new construction became available. Now subtract ship losses due to combat.

RMN peak, possible, fleet strength per HoS in crude terms can be no more than 1500-1700 or so. This lines up perfectly with 1920 fleet chart. Why? Sold a hundred ships to Grayson to start with and scrapped several hundred more. Gets us, DUN, DUDDA< DUN! Right down to the stated 1400 ships in active and reserve per the 1920 fleet chart.

I know, I have been the king of sour grapes occasionally, but common Lyon. The numbers line up.

Now, would I argue that the IAN will be expanding as it just added about 30 new systems from the Silesian Confederacy? Yes.

The numbers align. Especially if one takes the 1905 chart and subtracts all those obsolete hulks that are in that list but not delineated in a separate column as reserve/retired/scrap value.

PS. If you look at HoS and compare contrast with 1920 fleet chart it becomes apparent that the interwar period saw a near 100% retirement/scrapping of every CL class built up to that point, replaced by the Avalon class.

Hi Relax,

I've enjoyed learning more about your life experience, I've had some similar experience with helping some poor people improve themselves, and some who didn't, with their English, Math, Driver's Ed, History and even some computer stuff.

In case you're curious, those from around the world didn't need any math help [some could have been teachers or were], only the Americans taught by our glorious liberal education system, with kids in their 20's or 30's who didn't know what 2X3 or 3X4 is, yet were smart enough to cheat starting in elementary school and for various reasons never finished HS, and because they think getting a GED is too hard, are evidently content to be life long dolists, though I've also got much older people [near retirement age] struggling to get their GED's because they know it's what's required since sooner or later they're going to get asked if they have one.

One of my fellow volunteers [before she retired from social work] had the children of one of her families ask if she could be their caseworker when they grew up; that attitude contrasts with the many legal immigrants who are eager to step up and improve themselves to take advantage of the opportunities America offers; helping them is a privilege.

Regarding the numbers of HoS, you might have noticed I was willing to let this lie a while back, and with the pearls offline, it seems even more pointless, though several hundred scrapped for 1500-1700 doesn't make 1400 or 1398, IIRC.

L

Relax wrote:Oh for Pete's sake Lyon.

We now have HoS, listing total numbers actually built.

Take crude numbers built at some date obtains just north of 2000 ships. Of course several hundred of those were retired per HoS and saw at most the first two years of the war dropping number under 2000. Now subtract several hundred others that were retired from the other classes as depicted in HoS as new construction became available. Now subtract ship losses due to combat.

RMN peak, possible, fleet strength per HoS in crude terms can be no more than 1500-1700 or so. This lines up perfectly with 1920 fleet chart. Why? Sold a hundred ships to Grayson to start with and scrapped several hundred more. Gets us, DUN, DUDDA< DUN! Right down to the stated 1400 ships in active and reserve per the 1920 fleet chart.

I know, I have been the king of sour grapes occasionally, but common Lyon. The numbers line up.

Now, would I argue that the IAN will be expanding as it just added about 30 new systems from the Silesian Confederacy? Yes.

The numbers align. Especially if one takes the 1905 chart and subtracts all those obsolete hulks that are in that list but not delineated in a separate column as reserve/retired/scrap value.

PS. If you look at HoS and compare contrast with 1920 fleet chart it becomes apparent that the interwar period saw a near 100% retirement/scrapping of every CL class built up to that point, replaced by the Avalon class.