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Crown of Slaves or Wages of Sin
Post by Joat42   » Sat Jun 21, 2014 5:05 pm

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What is the correct name of the series of books that Crown of Slaves, Torch of Freedom and Cauldron of Ghosts belongs to?

In some places it's called "Crown of Slaves" series, in others "Wages of Sin". The blurb in my ARC of CoG it says it's the third book in the Cauldron of Ghost series.

So which title is correct for the series?

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Re: Crown of Slaves or Wages of Sin
Post by MaxxQ   » Sat Jun 21, 2014 5:24 pm

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Joat42 wrote:What is the correct name of the series of books that Crown of Slaves, Torch of Freedom and Cauldron of Ghosts belongs to?

In some places it's called "Crown of Slaves" series, in others "Wages of Sin". The blurb in my ARC of CoG it says it's the third book in the Cauldron of Ghost series.

So which title is correct for the series?


Heh... I actually call it the Torch books/series.

TBH, I don't think it matters, as most will understand what you are talking about, as long as they have read them.
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Re: Crown of Slaves or Wages of Sin
Post by Hutch   » Sat Jun 21, 2014 5:27 pm

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Joat42 wrote:What is the correct name of the series of books that Crown of Slaves, Torch of Freedom and Cauldron of Ghosts belongs to?

In some places it's called "Crown of Slaves" series, in others "Wages of Sin". The blurb in my ARC of CoG it says it's the third book in the Cauldron of Ghost series.

So which title is correct for the series?


They all are..... 8-)

Seriously, I think MWW/Flint never gave their trilogy a 'title' per se before they started it, so it's been left open.

The Wages of Sin was how I've heard it, but that really doesn't make sense (sense in a practical way-the Wages of Sin was a minor player only in the first book--but metaphysically, I guess it would sum up the three books just fine).

I've always personally called it the Torch series, although with the recent book I may amend that to the Maya Sector series.

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Re: Crown of Slaves or Wages of Sin
Post by crewdude48   » Sat Jun 21, 2014 5:38 pm

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Joat42 wrote:What is the correct name of the series of books that Crown of Slaves, Torch of Freedom and Cauldron of Ghosts belongs to?

In some places it's called "Crown of Slaves" series, in others "Wages of Sin". The blurb in my ARC of CoG it says it's the third book in the Cauldron of Ghost series.

So which title is correct for the series?


The series those three books are in is commonly called The Honorverse.

The title of the subseries? Well, Cauldron of Ghosts makes no sense. You wouldn't name a branch series after the last book in it. Wages of Sin makes slightly more sense, but not much; it was the setting for part of the first book, but was never mentioned again. Crown of Slaves and Torch are both fully acceptable. Personally, like Maxx, I prefer Torch.

I think the main problem the that, unless I am mistaken, the author does not have a seprate name for the three concurrent sub series, due to the fact that he considers them all mainline.

Snipped by Hutch, but I posted it anyway.
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Re: Crown of Slaves or Wages of Sin
Post by yannosh   » Sat Jun 21, 2014 5:39 pm

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I always call it spook duo books.
There is no proper name for the subseries I don't think there is any anyway.
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Re: Crown of Slaves or Wages of Sin
Post by hanuman   » Sat Jun 21, 2014 6:01 pm

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Wages of Sin.

Yes, that's the name of the Erewhonese orbital casino and pleasure house, but it's also a play on what happens when one indulges in an evil such as slavery. It's quite appropriate, given that the side series basically introduce the 'final conflict' with the MA.
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Re: Crown of Slaves or Wages of Sin
Post by Weird Harold   » Sat Jun 21, 2014 6:04 pm

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Hutch wrote:The Wages of Sin was how I've heard it, but that really doesn't make sense ...


I think it picked up that series name because the Wages Of Sin station is depicted on the cover of Crown of Slaves

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Re: Crown of Slaves or Wages of Sin
Post by saber964   » Sat Jun 21, 2014 6:24 pm

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The four spin off series are;

Crown of Slaves (3 Books)

Saganami Island (2 Books)

Star Kingdom (3 Books)

Manticore Ascendant (1 Book Forthcoming)
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Re: Crown of Slaves or Wages of Sin
Post by MaxxQ   » Sat Jun 21, 2014 6:31 pm

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saber964 wrote:The four spin off series are;

Crown of Slaves (3 Books)

Saganami Island (2 Books)

Star Kingdom (3 Books)

Manticore Ascendant (1 Book Forthcoming)


Torch series

Shadows series

Treecat series

Travis series

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Re: Crown of Slaves or Wages of Sin
Post by runsforcelery   » Sat Jun 21, 2014 7:00 pm

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MaxxQ wrote:
saber964 wrote:The four spin off series are;

Crown of Slaves (3 Books)

Saganami Island (2 Books)

Star Kingdom (3 Books)

Manticore Ascendant (1 Book Forthcoming)


Torch series

Shadows series

Treecat series

Travis series

:mrgreen: :lol:



What? You couldn't come up with a fourth "T" title? :P

I've always thought of the Anton/Victor novels as the Torch Series, myself. Never really thought about the fact that they didn't have an "official" series label.


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