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slow Star Trek ships, vs fast Stargate ships.
Post by Lord Skimper   » Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:55 pm

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Just reviewing the Star Trek Voyager show and how the 70,000 light year trip was supposed to take the fast CL Voyager 70+ years to get home. About 1000 LY a year or 2.75 a day.

In Stargate They travel 50 million light years between Galaxies in 3 weeks. Roughly 2,380,000 LY a day.

Even the slower drive was supposed to take 300 years for a similar trip. Which is still 166 times faster than one of the fastest Starfleet ships. Or 5 month for the whole trip. An inconvience but not a big deal.

43 minutes with the fast hyper drive.

Or 7 seasons of Voyager in one Episode.
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Re: slow Star Trek ships, vs fast Stargate ships.
Post by namelessfly   » Thu Jun 12, 2014 10:38 pm

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Lord Skimper wrote:Just reviewing the Star Trek Voyager show and how the 70,000 light year trip was supposed to take the fast CL Voyager 70+ years to get home. About 1000 LY a year or 2.75 a day.

In Stargate They travel 50 million light years between Galaxies in 3 weeks. Roughly 2,380,000 LY a day.

Even the slower drive was supposed to take 300 years for a similar trip. Which is still 166 times faster than one of the fastest Starfleet ships. Or 5 month for the whole trip. An inconvience but not a big deal.

43 minutes with the fast hyper drive.

Or 7 seasons of Voyager in one Episode.



Those 70 years or seven seasons were well worth the time because we were treated to Jeri Ryan's BORG implants (which aren't implants).
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Re: slow Star Trek ships, vs fast Stargate ships.
Post by Emo Otaku   » Fri Jun 13, 2014 3:57 am

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Well no matter what you think of ST Voyager one thing will always remain true.

It was better than Enterprise
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Post by Donnachaidh   » Fri Jun 13, 2014 8:27 am

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Some of Enterprise. The 3rd season really got it right and the 4th had some great moments.

Go back and watch the first couple season of The Next Generation, they're really rough. So is all of the original series if you don't have nostalgia to rely on.

Emo Otaku wrote:Well no matter what you think of ST Voyager one thing will always remain true.

It was better than Enterprise
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Re: slow Star Trek ships, vs fast Stargate ships.
Post by Lord Skimper   » Fri Jun 13, 2014 10:41 am

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I liked the first couple seasons of Enterprise, the later time travelling story line was just too stupid.

Voyager was great for something and then went off the rails on other stories. Really scraping the bottom of the barrel with some of those stories. Too many goody two shoes stories.

Remember Starfleet is Communism with a board line facist military. Good thing McCarthism died before the original Star Trek or Roddenberry would have been locked up.

Early Next Generation just shows how uncomfortable the various Actors were with each other. They lossened up later on, but stiff comes to mind early on.

Sometimes they really should just book them all on a holiday retreat for a couple weeks, in character. Loosen everyone up and develops the interactions. But alas no one ever can do that.

These latest movies are crazy. All visuals loud music and no story. Nothing original either but that is the current situation in the film industry. Let's just hope we don't get a remake of Honor of the Queen 3 times over the next 10 years.

One wonders if Star Trek will get back to the excellent DS9 series sometime. 25 years later or 125 years later things should be getting interesting there again.
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Re: slow Star Trek ships, vs fast Stargate ships.
Post by Michael Everett   » Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:04 pm

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Emo Otaku wrote:Well no matter what you think of ST Voyager one thing will always remain true.

It was better than Enterprise
Donnachaidh wrote:Some of Enterprise. The 3rd season really got it right and the 4th had some great moments.

Go back and watch the first couple season of The Next Generation, they're really rough. So is all of the original series if you don't have nostalgia to rely on.

Funnily enough, ST:TNG improved when Jonathan Frakes grew a beard.

I guess this means that iffy TV program + beard = great TV.

maybe...
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Re: slow Star Trek ships, vs fast Stargate ships.
Post by Lord Skimper   » Fri Jun 13, 2014 2:17 pm

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Michael Everett wrote:
Emo Otaku wrote:Well no matter what you think of ST Voyager one thing will always remain true.

It was better than Enterprise
Donnachaidh wrote:Some of Enterprise. The 3rd season really got it right and the 4th had some great moments.

Go back and watch the first couple season of The Next Generation, they're really rough. So is all of the original series if you don't have nostalgia to rely on.

Funnily enough, ST:TNG improved when Jonathan Frakes grew a beard.

I guess this means that iffy TV program + beard = great TV.



maybe...


So did DS9 when Avery grew a beard.
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Post by Thucydides   » Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:27 am

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And one of the best Star Trek episodes was the one where Spock had a beard...
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Post by Commodore Oakius   » Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:28 pm

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Oh, boy....
Where to begin? Where to being?

Lord Skimper wrote:Just reviewing the Star Trek Voyager show and how the 70,000 light year trip was supposed to take the fast CL Voyager 70+ years to get home. About 1000 LY a year or 2.75 a day.

Unfortunatley they nevery nailed this down properly in the series. Somany time X light years was Y days and in another episode it was Z days. It wa terrible.

namelessfly wrote:Those 70 years or seven seasons were well worth the time because we were treated to Jeri Ryan's BORG implants (which aren't implants).


Never should have let Kes go and replaced her with 7. Sure she was a better story piece, but Kes what a much better character, espcially with her hair down.

Emo Otaku wrote:Well no matter what you think of ST Voyager one thing will always remain true.

It was better than Enterprise

Enterpirse Season one: Hello introductions
Season two: Mission of Vengence
Season three: Now what can we do.
Season four: building to Romulan War.
Part of Enterprise were sad but it was specific episodes of each season, and the fact that season three was kind listless.

Lord Skimper wrote:I liked the first couple seasons of Enterprise, the later time travelling story line was just too stupid.

Agreed. Then after the time traveling it was good again, straight through the end.
Lord Skimper wrote:Voyager was great for something and then went off the rails on other stories. Really scraping the bottom of the barrel with some of those stories. Too many goody two shoes stories.

Yes but that was the whole point. The rules were the grounding they needed to survive being out of touch for so long.
Lord Skimper wrote:Remember Starfleet is Communism with a board line facist military. Good thing McCarthism died before the original Star Trek or Roddenberry would have been locked up.

Actually the Federation would be communist. And on paper communisim works, as long as everyone contributes, not that it will ever really happen, and no one has permenant control.
Lord Skimper wrote:These latest movies are crazy. All visuals loud music and no story. Nothing original either but that is the current situation in the film industry.

Very true, but I think the purpose behind them was to attact the younger and new audience to Trek in general, not to be great new trek for the rest of us. And it has worked.
Lord Skimper wrote:One wonders if Star Trek will get back to the excellent DS9 series sometime. 25 years later or 125 years later things should be getting interesting there again.


DS( is done in my opinion, and I think it was the best show of them all. A reunion movie, maybe, but thats it. I liked the ending.
Thucydides wrote:And one of the best Star Trek episodes was the one where Spock had a beard...

Mirror Mirror! One of the greatests ever. Remember there is an alternate you out there, the same but oppistie.
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Re: slow Star Trek ships, vs fast Stargate ships.
Post by Michael Everett   » Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:25 pm

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Commodore Oakius wrote:Mirror Mirror! One of the greatests ever. Remember there is an alternate you out there, the same but opposite.

You mean that out there is a me, but clean-shaven and with an afro?

Hang on, that was me as a teenager...

IMHO, Babylon 5 was generally better than Star Trek. In fact, my top list of live-action sci-fi tv series that I have watched (and remember) is...

Babylon 5 - The best sci-fi show so far.
Star Trek DS9 - Actual multi-episode plotlines!
Battlestar Galactica (Original) - Special effects are good even today!
Star Trek TNG - So darned quotable
Buck Rogers - Colonel Wilma...mmmmmmmmm
Star Trek Original - Oft imitated, rarely equalled
Farscape - Had quite a few moments
Star Trek Voyager - Had promise, but... warp 10 anyone?
Stargate Atlantis - Good setup and great bad guys
Stargate SG-1 - Seasons 3-5 were the best
Robocop - Wonderful dark humour
Seaquest DSV - Dolphin was a better actor than half the humans
Star Trek Enterprise - Barrel scraping.
Deepwater Black - Low budget but thought-provoking
UFO - You can see the strings!
Space 1999 - Luna-tics
Andromeda - Tried to do too much
Lexx - Started ok, went downhill
Battlestar Galactica (Remake) - Jolty camera gave me a headache

...17 listed.
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