Did the Federation truly fall?

I was wondering if the Federation truly fell to the GBaba, was it confirmed? did the command team see earth and its final colonies glassed? As they fled Earth's near space.

Or could the Feds have used humanity's innate innovative skills to turn the tide, as the fourtyfifth of fifty worlds fell (for an example) and burn the Gbaba from space.

Leaving humanity with the remnants and Safehold quietly doing its thing far out of the way.

Just something i was musing about. In al honesty i was worried DW might use that as a plot device at some point, introducing a Federation battlecruiser in orbit. (kinda like the stunt he pulled introducing vampires in another novel of his)

Well he foreshadowed that something was strange about his vampire before we learned that he was a vampire.

So IMO we don't have to worry about a Federation Dreadnaught showing up in Safehold orbit.

Spear80 wrote:I was wondering if the Federation truly fell to the GBaba, was it confirmed? did the command team see earth and its final colonies glassed? As they fled Earth's near space.

Or could the Feds have used humanity's innate innovative skills to turn the tide, as the fourtyfifth of fifty worlds fell (for an example) and burn the Gbaba from space.

Leaving humanity with the remnants and Safehold quietly doing its thing far out of the way.

Just something i was musing about. In al honesty i was worried DW might use that as a plot device at some point, introducing a Federation battlecruiser in orbit. (kinda like the stunt he pulled introducing vampires in another novel of his)

Spear80 wrote:I was wondering if the Federation truly fell to the GBaba, was it confirmed? did the command team see earth and its final colonies glassed? As they fled Earth's near space.

Or could the Feds have used humanity's innate innovative skills to turn the tide, as the fourtyfifth of fifty worlds fell (for an example) and burn the Gbaba from space.

Leaving humanity with the remnants and Safehold quietly doing its thing far out of the way.

Just something i was musing about. In al honesty i was worried DW might use that as a plot device at some point, introducing a Federation battlecruiser in orbit. (kinda like the stunt he pulled introducing vampires in another novel of his)

Weber generally tries not to spring surprises like that without some foreshadowing. The Federation was absolutely certain there was nothing they could do to survive. Sol was already under siege. The final battle was imminent. It took an entire fleet just to break a hole for the escaping ships. After that fleet was destroyed, and the fleet accompanying the colony ships were also destroyed, there isn't much left to defend Earth. It simply is not plausible that they could have survived, and David wouldn't violate plausibility that way.

DrakBibliophile wrote:Well he foreshadowed that something was strange about his vampire before we learned that he was a vampire.

Vampire? What story am I missing?

I kind of wondered the same thing, but for plot purposes, it's a moot point. If the Gbaba can't find them, Earth certainly won't, and wouldn't have been given a shred of evidence just where the fleet was headed.

SO, even say somehow Earth is still under siege all of these years later (they certainly weren't going to win), Safehold is going to have to pull itself up by it's own bootstraps in any case.


Well, unless MWW suddenly has an urgent reason that he needs to wrap up the series quickly. How's that Game of Thrones series going for that Martin guy?

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I think the title you are looking for is
"Out Of The Dark"
by David Weber
Published 2010 (I think)

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AClone wrote:

DrakBibliophile wrote:Well he foreshadowed that something was strange about his vampire before we learned that he was a vampire.

Vampire? What story am I missing?

I kind of wondered the same thing, but for plot purposes, it's a moot point. If the Gbaba can't find them, Earth certainly won't, and wouldn't have been given a shred of evidence just where the fleet was headed.

SO, even say somehow Earth is still under siege all of these years later (they certainly weren't going to win), Safehold is going to have to pull itself up by it's own bootstraps in any case.


Well, unless MWW suddenly has an urgent reason that he needs to wrap up the series quickly. How's that Game of Thrones series going for that Martin guy?

SWM wrote:Weber generally tries not to spring surprises like that without some foreshadowing. The Federation was absolutely certain there was nothing they could do to survive. Sol was already under siege. The final battle was imminent. It took an entire fleet just to break a hole for the escaping ships. After that fleet was destroyed, and the fleet accompanying the colony ships were also destroyed, there isn't much left to defend Earth. It simply is not plausible that they could have survived, and David wouldn't violate plausibility that way.

I too think the Federation is toast.
That being said I also think that a remnant exists somewhere, and why, simply because DW likes creating human antagonists.
Even when BEM’s and friendly aliens are part of story, there usually a human heavy in the background twirling his moustache, and chuckling evilly.

Probably.

However


I have always had a vision on how the Safehold series ending. It involves Merlin busting into the final area of the Temples Inner sanctuary to find a hyperspace com of some sorts with a back log of messages. Messages that detail a Nimue Alban's heroic stand at the Battle of Terra and how the Federations newest super secret super weapon turned the tide at the last moment.

Direwolf18 wrote:Probably.

However


I have always had a vision on how the Safehold series ending. It involves Merlin busting into the final area of the Temples Inner sanctuary to find a hyperspace com of some sorts with a back log of messages. Messages that detail a Nimue Alban's heroic stand at the Battle of Terra and how the Federations newest super secret super weapon turned the tide at the last moment.

That doesn't make sense. Nimue was on the fleet that sacrificed itself to protect the colony ships. That was months travel away from Terra, and they weren't going back there. If they survived, they would have headed off in another direction to divert attention to the the colonists.

This post contains what RFC has claimed is not how Safehold will end...

Then again, we all know how sneaky he is...

Well yea clearly SWM. That is why I consider it to be a pipe dream. That being said its possible things could have happened to change what everyone KNEW was going to happen. Merlin/Nimue/Whatever has spent the entire series so sure of herself...himself...itself...whatever... and the fact that Nimue clearly died during operation Breakaway, and the Terran Federation not to shortly after.


I would just find it highly entertaining that Merlin would discover that the previous assumptions were dead wrong. I enjoy that kinda thing, I'm told that makes me childish and immature. ::shrugs::

Plus, hey, if RFC really does skip the whole Gbaba arc because he wants to retire, he could write the epilogue where the Safeholdian Federation (or whatever its called) is marshaling its forces to go Gbaba hunting, or throw in a curve ball.