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Re: future human vs others space combat.
Post by Tenshinai   » Thu May 22, 2014 11:17 am

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Lord Skimper wrote:Not so much scify but what could we at current tech levels use or do?

I Always have wondered if a Telsa type weapons would be possible? Can lightning travel through space?


Of course it CAN... It doesn´t travel WELL however. Tesla is likely mostly a bust.




Given that humans don't like sharing anything with non humans what will our space combat be based on.


Our current inability to put things in orbit is the primary limiter. It effectively means we are unable to wage war in space at this time.


After that comes the limit of our pathetically weak/shortburn engines. Meaning that maneuvering would be extremely restricted.


If we could overcome the orbital insertion limit, this means we would likely have to go mainly with ships of the huge and clunky style, with extreme armouring to give any chance of surviving damage.

Missiles would be ineffective due to our lack of suitable engines.

Lasers, Gauss/railgun etc, plasma, particle accelerator and semi-conventional cannons would likely be the best weapon outfit.

Shields effectively does not exist today. As the few shield effects that has been tested or thought up so far use so horribly much energy for relatively minor protection that they´re probably useless.

A few of the ideas MIGHT become useful in the near future. For example, the idea of dispersing iron particles in a strong magnetic field around a vessel does work already, but they need to figure out how to keep the shield from loosing cohesion when hit before it will give noticeable protection.
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Re: future human vs others space combat.
Post by Lord Skimper   » Sat May 24, 2014 11:11 am

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I was thinking of active millimetre radar armour and passive explosive armour. Using a plate of starlite plastic one should be able to ablat some of an incoming lasers power. For stopping a projectile it just needs compressive armour and lead or gold shielding to cut down on radiation effects. The suspended iron cloud might make a good particle shielding with good electromagnetics. Might want to use larger metallic plates or ceramic composite plates or perhaps a mail weave.
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Re: future human vs others space combat.
Post by Daryl   » Mon May 26, 2014 9:16 pm

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How about having vampires hitch a ride up on the outside of their shuttles?
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Re: future human vs others space combat.
Post by Emo Otaku   » Mon May 26, 2014 9:42 pm

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Daryl wrote:How about having vampires hitch a ride up on the outside of their shuttles?



Oooooh nasty

Besides its a silly idea :)
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Re: future human vs others space combat.
Post by viciokie   » Tue May 27, 2014 2:40 pm

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In this instance i really seriously suggest humankind venture very carefully. Reason being since we are just now taking our first steps into this arena, it is very similar to a toddler learning to walk. Before we think we are karate masters we have to have walking and running first.
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Re: future human vs others space combat.
Post by KNick   » Tue May 27, 2014 6:29 pm

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viciokie wrote:In this instance i really seriously suggest humankind venture very carefully. Reason being since we are just now taking our first steps into this arena, it is very similar to a toddler learning to walk. Before we think we are karate masters we have to have walking and running first.


I don't think we have even reached the toddler stage yet. We a still trying to learn to crawl. We've gotten past the hold our head up stage, but haven't yet reached the point where we can move all our arms and legs well enough to push ourselves along. We still have a long way to go to get to the first steps stage.
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Re: future human vs others space combat.
Post by viciokie   » Wed May 28, 2014 4:22 pm

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KNick wrote:
viciokie wrote:In this instance i really seriously suggest humankind venture very carefully. Reason being since we are just now taking our first steps into this arena, it is very similar to a toddler learning to walk. Before we think we are karate masters we have to have walking and running first.


I don't think we have even reached the toddler stage yet. We a still trying to learn to crawl. We've gotten past the hold our head up stage, but haven't yet reached the point where we can move all our arms and legs well enough to push ourselves along. We still have a long way to go to get to the first steps stage.


I think we will have taken our first steps into the toddler stage once we have colonies on Mars and other planets and maybe the moon as well. Interstellar spacecraft might have us as being a little past toddler stage. Honestly i don't think we will have reached past toddler stage much until we develop FTL capability.
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Re: future human vs others space combat.
Post by Lord Skimper   » Fri May 30, 2014 9:11 am

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We do have limited drone ability. Getting people into space the furthest so far is the moon. Which really isn't all that far away. While the space station is barely in space. Some would argue it is a high atmosphere station. Less than 1/10th of a radius from the surface isn't very far out.

One wonders how far out Honorverse stations are?

Drones have made it out to the explanet. Not planet X although they may have gone there too.
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Re: future human vs others space combat.
Post by MAD-4A   » Tue Jun 03, 2014 9:22 am

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Lord Skimper wrote:Can lightning travel through space?
Actually, not as such. lightning is a discharge of electrons from one atom to another. In a true vacuum there are no atoms to discharge between. It could work in a nebula or gas cloud. In true space you would need an electron particle cannon (EPC) to collect and discharge the electrons as a "beam" threw the vacuum.
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Re: future human vs others space combat.
Post by Tenshinai   » Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:46 pm

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MAD-4A wrote: Actually, not as such. lightning is a discharge of electrons from one atom to another. In a true vacuum there are no atoms to discharge between. It could work in a nebula or gas cloud. In true space you would need an electron particle cannon (EPC) to collect and discharge the electrons as a "beam" threw the vacuum.


Vacuum does not conduct electricity, it is however also not an absolute inhibitor of electricity.

Generate a strong enough electric field and you can get what amounts to "lightning" in space, except of course it´s electricity rather than lightning, as indeed there is no stray atoms to have their state altered by the passing current.
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