Hi Alizon,
My apologies.
I didn't realise what a sensitive woman you were, I'm sorry to hurt your feelings that way.
As a matter of fact, your gender wasn't important to me, the value and accuracy of your ideas were; I thought that was how things were supposed to work.
But I'm glad we've finally gotten to the core truth here, that you really weren't that serious about this concept.
Making that clear would have helped the discussion.
But congratulations on being so convincing, because I really thought you were being really really invested in defending the SL's survival despite all the obvious evidence, so I was almost beginning to worry about your mental thinking, it was so repetitive.
Imagination is obviously very important, but why revealing your gender is important or justification for flaming is something else again.
I am glad you're another lady fan of RFC, I'm friends with several BTW, and I'll give you full credit for imagining the hyper defense concept; but after 8 years of posting at the bar and the forums, seeing and yes even making some suggestions on how to try to save the SL early on, then seeing the same old, same old ideas has obviously reduced my patience for this subject which has gotten rather tiresome IMO, some of of my comments in my last post to you were over the top and for that I apologize.
I'm glad you've recognised there's no textev to support your hyper defense concept, and it was clever in a way; but being aware of all the clues or hints should have been accounted for earlier in your arguments, to be fair to your readers, and who knows, perhaps you actually hit something RFC overlooked, I doubt it but if you're right, then kudos.
I've had RFC correct my impressions of how things work or could because of clues I'd overlooked more times than I want to remember.
I've also forgotten how often I was right.
Claiming your imagination overrules or supplants the rules of the honorverse, though also used by other posters here, doesn't cut that much ice with me or other posters.
Regarding my imagination, its been directed at what RFC hasn't told us yet; I've been expressing it in several thousand posts here and at the bar over the years and I suspect RFC has been irked by at least a few of my posts, given his rather negative responses.
I've been curious about almost everything in the honorverse etc that's still a mystery; what's going to happen next after CoG, NTM about how the honor-verse works; how big is the human colonized part of the galaxy or the MMM, how much does a MDM cost and how many can the SKM/SEM or Haven afford to make every day; or for example just how large is Manticore's economic and financial impact on the SL, given it gets news so much faster than anywhere else, ie much of the SL's vibrant trade and financial heart is in the SKM because it has to be.
Being told you have too much testosterone is a compliment to most real men; if you feel I was bullying you because you were a woman, I apologize for not noticing any clues you gave.
But kudos for "adapting, improvising, and overcoming" the obstacles in your life.
While the marines made it a credo, all adults by definition do it, so congratulations again.
Good luck with your future ideas and posts; I've liked some in the past as you know, and know I will again in the future.
L
Alizon wrote:lyonheart wrote:Hi Alizon,
No they couldn't.
Please read the pearls, its obvious you haven't; and you keep ignoring what you should know if you had, so to keep rehearsing these stupid arguments is embarrassing.
No one has ever challenged the potential of the SL to be a giant military-industrial complex, RFC has made that point many times, we all have.
But RFC has also made the point many, many times that the SL is "doomed", its "collapse is inevitable" etc, since CoS more than ten years ago.
In other words its never going to get the chance to become a military-industrial complex, because someone is going to shoot it in the head several times with a flechette gun while its still sleeping very soon.
I wonder how you can read the books and keep missing the obvious.
But to suggest that in only a few month's and they'll be militarily outbuilding the GA, the AE and Beowulf combined?
What prohibited substances are you using?
Again I wonder how you could've read the pearls, since RFC has repeatedly stated the SL has only a half dozen or so shipyards that can build SD's [its possible there might be 7-9 including some SDF's], while depending on what pearl even that wasn't on a continuous annual basis.
His current thinking does appear to involve annual production, but only around 46-7 for the whole BF, when Haven commissioned around 300 last year at Bolthole and the SEM and Grayson commissioned another ~200 for 11 times as many as the whole league, which won't be allowed to gear up; again RFC has stated the SL doesn't have 5 years to even begin building let alone designing a SDP, which obviously goes for upgrading shipyards to military work, which does not take "only a few month's".
Show me the textev not this constant childish wishful thinking.
Clearly RFC isn't going to portray a SL renaissance in the next book the way you keep insisting.
Shipyards are built only if they're going to used.
The huge impact the withdrawal of the MMM to the SL ought to indicate to you that relatively few SL systems build and operate all that many freighters, ie their space infrastructure isn't geared toward much shipbuilding of any kind, being 'satisfied economies' as RFC has put it; NTM the difficulties of shifting to such specialized work as naval warships.
If you've never 'grown' armor before, don't know how, never tried etc, let alone built shield generators or naval engines even before getting into weapons, how is all that to be accomplished in a few month's?
Especially given the lethargy we continue to see throughout the SL and especially in Old Chicago; there is nothing to support your daydreams of the SL somehow avoiding the avalanche its created for itself.
Dream away but don't keep wasting our time here ignoring the facts of the honor-verse, please.
If a quarter [possibly representing a third of the member systems] of the Executive Council voted against the mandarins' wishes, its likely many that do build freighters and warships side with Beowulf already, reducing your potential builders even further.
Its pathetic to keep pushing this, let's move on, please.
L
Well Lyonheart, by all means, just keep moving on.
So let me get this straight, it's childish to talk about how the League could possibly be saved and tactics they might employ because it offends your personal sensibilities and the rightness of the Honorverse because, well, obviously, RFC has already used the "doomed" word.
Well, Lyonheart, it's called imagination. I suspect the entire Honorverse sprang from that quality and I see no reason to restrain it just because it's wasting your time. If you don't want to waste it, then don't read it and go post somewhere else.
And honestly, what is the fun in figuring out how the Alliance is going to smash the League and how doomed it is. It's like having fun pushing chicks into a river. Where does that get interesting?
I
know that RFC isn't going to write anything like a League victory or probably even survival. It is
obvious that the books are heading direction X.
But what is the challenge in arguing the obvious. The real challenge isn't figuring out how the Alliance is going to win. It's simple, send in SD's with MDM's and blow up everything in sight. Yeah that is
really fun to talk about.
No, the challenge isn't figuring out how badly the Alliance is going to paste everything it runs into, it's about figuring out how the League can survive. What course do they need to take, how can you possibly face MDM ships with Ghost Rider and Keyhole with the technology the SLN currently has.
Sure I can come up with any number of reasons why the SLN is doomed.
That's easy. Now coming up with a way it can survive, that's hard. You actually have to work your brain cells on that one, think a bit beyond the Pearls and the "Doom" word and see how it could happen.
I don't know, maybe it's my Girl Scout training, not to let the million reasons why something can't be done stop you, just find the one way it can be done and do it.
Now, I've read a number of the Pearls but I haven't read all of them. But you know, I have a working brain and I have imagination and those both work awfully well so I can actually form opinions on what I do know. And I don't intend to stop because some Neanderthal with too much testosterone tells me to stop because I'm "embarrassing", "pathetic" and "childish". In my experience those words are most often used by those who are lacking in vocabulary and in the ability to think of something better to say.
If I'm wrong I'm wrong. Big whooping deal. Have at least the simple courtesy to tell me why I'm wrong without all the kindergarten pissing contest commentary. Get over yourself, grow an imagination and if you don't like what I have to post, don't read it.
