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Re: Defections form the Vicar council
Post by SYED   » Fri May 09, 2014 11:11 pm

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If no one is being raised to the council of vicars, do we know what are the rules for voting. The purge of reformists, took out about 10% of the council. We know that it took out reformists and any that would oppose the group of 4. That does not mean there is not the possibility of competition. They would love to the ones in control o the church, they may want to get with of the Go4, but not necessarily the nicest of people. THey need not kill enough to create a majority against the four, just enough to break the 4's majority and the leaders of their factions.
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Re: Defections form the Vicar council
Post by kbus888   » Sun May 11, 2014 11:19 am

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Even if the GO4 did lose their majority support, that does not mean they are out of power.

IIRC, Clyntahn LOST the election to the Grand Inquisitor's chair -- he (with Rayno's help) then just cheated and got elected anyway.

So, even without a majority, the GO4 could do the same.

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SYED wrote:If no one is being raised to the council of vicars, do we know what are the rules for voting. The purge of reformists, took out about 10% of the council. We know that it took out reformists and any that would oppose the group of 4. That does not mean there is not the possibility of competition. They would love to the ones in control o the church, they may want to get with of the Go4, but not necessarily the nicest of people. THey need not kill enough to create a majority against the four, just enough to break the 4's majority and the leaders of their factions.
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Re: Defections form the Vicar council
Post by DrakBibliophile   » Sun May 11, 2014 11:53 am

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Not the Go4, Clyntahn. I think it's clear that the rest of the Go4 would like Clyntahn gone.

For that matter, I suspect that even in an honest vote of the Vicars right now, Clyntahn would "win" support.

IMO too many Vicars would be afraid to vote against him. They'd be sure that Clyntahn could/would find out who voted against him.

IMO to remove Clyntahn and his supporters from power, it will take force.



kbus888 wrote:=2014/05/11=
Even if the GO4 did lose their majority support, that does not mean they are out of power.

IIRC, Clyntahn LOST the election to the Grand Inquisitor's chair -- he (with Rayno's help) then just cheated and got elected anyway.

So, even without a majority, the GO4 could do the same.

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SYED wrote:If no one is being raised to the council of vicars, do we know what are the rules for voting. The purge of reformists, took out about 10% of the council. We know that it took out reformists and any that would oppose the group of 4. That does not mean there is not the possibility of competition. They would love to the ones in control o the church, they may want to get with of the Go4, but not necessarily the nicest of people. THey need not kill enough to create a majority against the four, just enough to break the 4's majority and the leaders of their factions.
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Re: Defections form the Vicar council
Post by AirTech   » Mon May 12, 2014 7:50 am

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kbus888 wrote:=2014/05/11=
Even if the GO4 did lose their majority support, that does not mean they are out of power.

IIRC, Clyntahn LOST the election to the Grand Inquisitor's chair -- he (with Rayno's help) then just cheated and got elected anyway.

So, even without a majority, the GO4 could do the same.

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I think we can safely assume that the GO4 is modelled on the 1930's and 40's Nazi party (who polled 35% in their last election before they just seized power). You don't need majority support to be unassailable - just feared by the majority more than the other alternative (dead men don't vote (at least, against the government)).
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Re: Defections form the Vicar council
Post by SYED   » Tue May 13, 2014 12:55 am

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are vicars supposed to visit their places of responsibility? Say enough are terrified in to actually going to do their job, they could allow a majority to be formed out side zion.
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Re: Defections form the Vicar council
Post by dwileye13   » Sun May 25, 2014 11:13 am

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It seems to me, with the assassinations of Vicars an additional target should be Rayno. This is the person that gives Clyntahn his organizational strength and actually runs the day to day efforts of the Inquisition.

Clyntahn will be brought down by RFC in a unique way, taking down the organization of the Inquisition is a greater effort. Charis is killing the individuals where ever they can get their hands on them, The Inquisitors have to have some trepidation when out on duty near the 'Infidels' If Rayno gets hit, that assassination could not be hid and it would not be a Vicar but an Inquisitor which is fair game by Charis standards. Charis would get the blame/credit but it would give pause to all in the Temple
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Re: Defections form the Vicar council
Post by SYED   » Mon May 26, 2014 2:41 am

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if charis starts hitting inquisitors, the other vicars could join in hoping that charis will get the blame?
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Re: Defections form the Vicar council
Post by dwileye13   » Mon May 26, 2014 9:18 am

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SYED wrote:if charis starts hitting inquisitors, the other vicars could join in hoping that charis will get the blame?


Quite possibly, but I think Clyntahn weeded out any Vicar with 'Huevos Grande' some time ago. Opposition to a very major extent was drawn and quartered in the cental plaza.
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Re: Defections form the Vicar council
Post by SYED   » Sat May 31, 2014 12:27 am

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sure the vicars are terrified, but if the inquisition and it's master is defied and no one brought to judgement, they may fear the wrath of the silent killer instead.
I have an idea, instead of killing the vicars, kidnapp thewm, so they are drugged, no memory of the actual even, put in stasis then released in their area of responsibilities, in their bed, after the time it would take to travel there via safehold tech. They could go to the group of 4 and claim they were kidnapped only, to be safely returned home far from the city. but more likely to be punished as traitors. even the most lyal priests would be seen as suspect after such an event.
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Re: Defections form the Vicar council
Post by dwileye13   » Sat May 31, 2014 9:17 am

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