State rightsin EoC

Merlin comments in OAR about never inventing wheel locks. August 890 chapter 4 Merlin drops the comment.

Technically yes you could do a matchlock pistol, but it seems a tad impractical. More then half the point of a pistol is the ease of carrying it around or hiding it away, neither of those things coincides with a slow match.

Thanks.

There is one aspect of "gun rights" that does appear on Safehold.

That's the right for people to organize themselves in a militia to defend themselves.

There is mention of militias both in Charis and in Siddarmark.

While the Charis militias were said to compare poorly with mainland militaries, they do exist.

IMO the right to handgun ownership is a logical growth of both "right to self-defense" and "right to defend your community (ie militias)".

Direwolf18 wrote:Merlin comments in OAR about never inventing wheel locks. August 890 chapter 4 Merlin drops the comment.

Technically yes you could do a matchlock pistol, but it seems a tad impractical. More then half the point of a pistol is the ease of carrying it around or hiding it away, neither of those things coincides with a slow match.

DrakBibliophile wrote:Thanks.

There is one aspect of "gun rights" that does appear on Safehold.

That's the right for people to organize themselves in a militia to defend themselves.

There is mention of militias both in Charis and in Siddarmark.

While the Charis militias were said to compare poorly with mainland militaries, they do exist.

IMO the right to handgun ownership is a logical growth of both "right to self-defense" and "right to defend your community (ie militias)".

Direwolf18 wrote:Merlin comments in OAR about never inventing wheel locks. August 890 chapter 4 Merlin drops the comment.

Technically yes you could do a matchlock pistol, but it seems a tad impractical. More then half the point of a pistol is the ease of carrying it around or hiding it away, neither of those things coincides with a slow match.

militias are pretty standard tools for villages and small towns security in a post feudal society. If they are not formed, it is up to the authority (either the state, but more likely the nobleman in charge) to provide armsmen which is costly for the noble person in question.

And disarming peasants is a fool errant, they will use work implements. Or you need a very strong party of overseers

alj_sf" [quote="DrakBibliophile wrote:Thanks.

There is one aspect of "gun rights" that does appear on Safehold.

That's the right for people to organize themselves in a militia to defend themselves.

There is mention of militias both in Charis and in Siddarmark.

While the Charis militias were said to compare poorly with mainland militaries, they do exist.

IMO the right to handgun ownership is a logical growth of both "right to self-defense" and "right to defend your community (ie militias)".

Direwolf18 wrote:Merlin comments in OAR about never inventing wheel locks. August 890 chapter 4 Merlin drops the comment.

Technically yes you could do a matchlock pistol, but it seems a tad impractical. More then half the point of a pistol is the ease of carrying it around or hiding it away, neither of those things coincides with a slow match.

militias are pretty standard tools for villages and small towns security in a post feudal society. If they are not formed, it is up to the authority (either the state, but more likely the nobleman in charge) to provide armsmen which is costly for the noble person in question.

And disarming peasants is a fool errant, they will use work implements. Or you need a very strong party of overseers[/quote]

You would be surprised at what a peasant farmer could turn into a improvised weapon. Like pitchforks, scythes, axes, hoes, pickaxes, walking-staffs, shovels and etc. etc. Also most farmers would have invested in and handed down bows crossbows and arbalest for going after the local predators going after there livestock and putting food on the table.

You could also see trickle down firearms like city guardsmen being issued cap and ball pistols as the IC Military goes over to cartridge ammo.

DrakBibliophile wrote:
There is one aspect of "gun rights" that does appear on Safehold.

That's the right for people to organize themselves in a militia to defend themselves.

There is mention of militias both in Charis and in Siddarmark.

While the Charis militias were said to compare poorly with mainland militaries, they do exist.

IMO the right to handgun ownership is a logical growth of both "right to self-defense" and "right to defend your community (ie militias)".

This is a very USA take on the word militia. IIRC Militias in the UK in the C18 & C19 were much more like the present day National Guard in the US, in that they were strictly under government control and integrated into home-defence planning. A bunch of "concerned citizens" couldn't just set themselves up as a militia, only government authorised militias could be raised and armed, although sometimes at the instigation of local notables.

Given its DW's world, your take may well be right but the word itself doesn't necessarily carry the philosophical baggage you associate with it.

In fact, now I come to think of it, 'spontaneous' citizen militias are the last thing Sharley wants to allow in Chisholm. She has had a hard enough time getting rid of the nobles' private armies that she isn't about to make them a free gift of a way to reconstitute such armies under another name.

Randomiser wrote:

DrakBibliophile wrote:
There is one aspect of "gun rights" that does appear on Safehold.

That's the right for people to organize themselves in a militia to defend themselves.

There is mention of militias both in Charis and in Siddarmark.

While the Charis militias were said to compare poorly with mainland militaries, they do exist.

IMO the right to handgun ownership is a logical growth of both "right to self-defense" and "right to defend your community (ie militias)".

This is a very USA take on the word militia. IIRC Militias in the UK in the C18 & C19 were much more like the present day National Guard in the US, in that they were strictly under government control and integrated into home-defence planning. A bunch of "concerned citizens" couldn't just set themselves up as a militia, only government authorised militias could be raised and armed, although sometimes at the instigation of local notables.

Given its DW's world, your take may well be right but the word itself doesn't necessarily carry the philosophical baggage you associate with it.

In fact, now I come to think of it, 'spontaneous' citizen militias are the last thing Sharley wants to allow in Chisholm. She has had a hard enough time getting rid of the nobles' private armies that she isn't about to make them a free gift of a way to reconstitute such armies under another name.

It has been illegal for a private individual or individuals to have an armed force under their control in the UK since Tudor times.

I think it should be legal, and in fact encouraged by the Empire, for Militias or Corps of Volunteers to:
Obtain rifles and uniforms
Train in marksmanship and tactics
Go on field exercises

As long as they swear allegiance to the Crown.
If they reach certain levels of effectiveness, they should be able to obtain Crown funding for their equipment and facilities.

Once the war is over, this would ideally allow the Empire to downsize its Army a little, while retaining a large reserve of trained, capable manpower which can be rapidly called up and added to the ICA at need.

Private firearms should be pre-emptively restricted to weapons held by militia members and hunting weapons, both of which have a legitimate purpose. Nimue/Merlin, being of British origin, really really shouldn't follow USian dogma on guns, and I will be quite upset with RFC if they do.

What text evidence exists for the existence of the US or Britain on the Earth of the Terran Federation?

What text evidence is there for Nimue being British?

What text evidence is there for Terran Federation law following modern British law or even modern American law?

Considering that David Weber is an American not British why should he base his future Terran Federation Earth Laws on modern British laws?

Incognitia wrote:It has been illegal for a private individual or individuals to have an armed force under their control in the UK since Tudor times.

I think it should be legal, and in fact encouraged by the Empire, for Militias or Corps of Volunteers to:
Obtain rifles and uniforms
Train in marksmanship and tactics
Go on field exercises

As long as they swear allegiance to the Crown.
If they reach certain levels of effectiveness, they should be able to obtain Crown funding for their equipment and facilities.

Once the war is over, this would ideally allow the Empire to downsize its Army a little, while retaining a large reserve of trained, capable manpower which can be rapidly called up and added to the ICA at need.

Private firearms should be pre-emptively restricted to weapons held by militia members and hunting weapons, both of which have a legitimate purpose. Nimue/Merlin, being of British origin, really really shouldn't follow USian dogma on guns, and I will be quite upset with RFC if they do.

Incognitia, you do remember that just about every noble anywhere that ever tried to make trouble for their monarch, depose him or put themselves in his place had previously sworn allegiance to said monarch?

Plus, in the Safehold situation, oaths to the Emperor or empress of Charis are automatically invalid and non-binding for TLs as the said royal persons have been excommunicated. Just seems to me that the gain is too small weighed against the risks of e.g. Sharley's nobles misusing the system to develop a military force that is loyal to them rather than the crown. There is after all a reason for private armies having been banned in the UK for such a long time.

On a practical point, even if the utility of such militias were granted, I don't see how you could legitimately arm them at the present time. Anything that even vaguely looks like a modern firearm is being rushed to the Imperial forces or allies in Siddarmark for front-line use. There just aren't the weapons for militias to train or be equipped with at the moment.

Incognitia wrote:(SNIP)

If they reach certain levels of effectiveness, they should be able to obtain Crown funding for their equipment and facilities.

(SNIP)

Just to raise a point here - that firearms are expensive!

I would expect that a majority of traditional (*) militia to be armed with bladed weapons, and a much smaller number armed with muskets.

(*) - remember that pre-Merlin, muskets were a support weapon, and the main weapon of armies were edged weapons.


As a result, I would expect that militias are State sponsored, with weapons and equipment provided by the government, as well as (possibly) tax benefits (or other benefits) for those who serve.

The British Houses of Parliament are mentioned in BRSA August YoG 892 Chapter IV p 350 of the paperback edition it also states that they stuck Nimue as "conspicuously Modest" so she has at least seen pictures if not the buildings themselves.

It also mentions in OAR that Nimue was born and raised in NorEurope (August YoG 890, Chapter VII) and that she sailed on the North Sea (October YoG 890, Chapter II).

DrakBibliophile wrote:What text evidence exists for the existence of the US or Britain on the Earth of the Terran Federation?

What text evidence is there for Nimue being British?

What text evidence is there for Terran Federation law following modern British law or even modern American law?

Considering that David Weber is an American not British why should he base his future Terran Federation Earth Laws on modern British laws?

Incognitia wrote:It has been illegal for a private individual or individuals to have an armed force under their control in the UK since Tudor times.

I think it should be legal, and in fact encouraged by the Empire, for Militias or Corps of Volunteers to:
Obtain rifles and uniforms
Train in marksmanship and tactics
Go on field exercises

As long as they swear allegiance to the Crown.
If they reach certain levels of effectiveness, they should be able to obtain Crown funding for their equipment and facilities.

Once the war is over, this would ideally allow the Empire to downsize its Army a little, while retaining a large reserve of trained, capable manpower which can be rapidly called up and added to the ICA at need.

Private firearms should be pre-emptively restricted to weapons held by militia members and hunting weapons, both of which have a legitimate purpose. Nimue/Merlin, being of British origin, really really shouldn't follow USian dogma on guns, and I will be quite upset with RFC if they do.