How much Technology was Stolen

MaxxQ wrote:

keylime314 wrote:Don't forget this was Byng as well. He probably wouldn't have wanted his people wasting time analyzing inferior neobarb toys.

^^^This. Thread over.

:D
Also, that was before Manticore rubbed their ships' individual superiority in the SLN's face. So it would have been easier to stick to their prejudices about "neobarb toys"; even much of anything did survive.

IOW it might have been harder for semi-clued in people to make a case to spend time tech scavenging. Though I imagine by now even the most brain-dead officer would be up for attempting to scavenge any Manti warfighting tech they could.

smr wrote:It could have been Sollie Intelligence or Mesa that took technology. Would I have told Byng....absolutely not! A ship could have left before the Manties arrived at the system.

A ship could have left, but it wasn't a Solly one. IIRC, when Henke shows up there is a specific mention of no change from Tristram's data, other than the tin cans changing position.

The big question for me, at least, is the fate of the Solly crews.

1. They may have been interned by a now neutral New Tuscany, so they can't go anywhere, like the Graf Spee's crew in WW2. In which case some might make a break for it back to the League. Askew would be a good candidate.

2. When Verrochio found out, Thurgood may have persuaded him to dispatch a transport to recover them, though again there isn't any mention. Even if they had been recovered, it's likely they wound up in Meyers, which we know now to have been captured/liberated by Henke. In which case they're now POW's.

Jonathan_S wrote:Though I imagine by now even the most brain-dead officer would be up for attempting to scavenge any Manti warfighting tech they could.

That's a given.

Mike.

Michael Riddell wrote:

HB of CJ wrote:Yep...the Sollies got just about everything, including the possibility of human survivors. Even though the cans were wiped out by big guns, there are always small and perhaps big chunks of wreckage..and parts.

Definitely no survivors. No mention whatsoever and in the context of what RFC has written subsequently there isn't any possibility of any appearing later.

As for recovering wreckage, Byng wasn't the only flag officer around. He wouldn't be interested in intel, he is Battle Fleet after all, but his second, Sigbee, being Frontier Fleet, would. It's not unreasonable to assume that recovering anything of interest for intelligence purposes would be SOP for FF. Byng may not have expressly ordered it, but Sigbee may have signaled the tin can commanders "on the quiet" to recover items as-per-SOP. Either directly, or more likely via the Flotilla CO.

Anyway, as I wrote earlier, it's a bit moot.

Mike.

Remember folks, three destroyers, without sidewalls, wedges or any defense besides their limited armoring, were destroyed by the concentrated Grazer fire of Seventeen Battlecruisers, each mounting 12 Grazers per broadside.

I doubt that there was anything useful recovered after that.

IMHO as always. YMMV.

kenl511 wrote:

smr wrote:When the 3 destroyers were destroyed in the Talbot sector at New Tuscany, how much technology survived on the destroyed destroyers.

Did they take some of Mark 16 missles?

Did any of the ghost rider platforms survive?

Did any of the ship's impellar rooms survive?

Did any of the main computers survive?

Keeping Byng's mindset in mind, I doubt there was any effort to collect anything because "what could they have worth the effort of collecting?

Go back and re-read it, Byng's sum total effort after destroying Chattergee's ships was CYA. He was freaking out because he couldn't destroy the records that there were no missile traces to justify his actions. After that he was pushing the New Tuscans for the names of potential local terrorists who might have been behind the action.

One of the actual FF officers on another BC might, I stress might, have done some searching for something to recover but I doubt it. On top of that, Mike arrived far too soon and scuttled/lobotomized all the ships she didn't take for fleet intel and buships evaluation.

As I recall Anisimovna left the planet and waited aboard her dispatch boat forMike to show up and was surprised how quickly the Manties responded. I seriously doubt she was out in the system recovering debris for future analysis. That would have been too blatant considering how the NT leadership was feeling at the time and Byng's near panic in looking for some way to escape his foolish actions. If a Mesan transtellar was out there scooping up Manty tech left and right someone would have noticed and he'd have jumped at the chance to deflect responsibly.

Two other points worth noting...

Remember that the station had just exploded - any salvage/rescue effort would largely be focused on that (for what little it would be worth), especially from planetside.

With the amount of energy pumped into the destroyers, any debris would be in small pieces and moving at high velocity in many directions. Very hard to track - remember in HAE the difficulty of tracking Lewis in a runaway EVA suit?

Michael Riddell wrote:The big question for me, at least, is the fate of the Solly crews[ of Byng's task force].

1. They may have been interned by a now neutral New Tuscany, so they can't go anywhere, like the Graf Spee's crew in WW2. In which case some might make a break for it back to the League. Askew would be a good candidate.

Since nobody was at war at that time, they wouldn't have been interned, and the New Tuscans would probably encourage them to go home. ... Or at least elsewhere. Though how they do that is a problem.

2. When Verrochio found out, Thurgood may have persuaded him to dispatch a transport to recover them, though again there isn't any mention. Even if they had been recovered, it's likely they wound up in Meyers, which we know now to have been captured/liberated by Henke. In which case they're now POW's.

Could be.

Hutch wrote:Remember folks, three destroyers, without sidewalls, wedges or any defense besides their limited armoring, were destroyed by the concentrated Grazer fire of Seventeen Battlecruisers, each mounting 12 Grazers per broadside.

I doubt that there was anything useful recovered after that.

IMHO as always. YMMV.

I take and certainly agree with your overall point. And yet the technical little nitpicker in me raised a flag over "12 Grazers per broadside"; that sounded like a heck of a lot for a BC. That's what a Nike-class BC(L) carries, and twice what a Reliant or Sultan-class BC carry.

Was there a reference to Byng's BC broadsides that I can't find? Or was this just a bit of (possibly incorrectly lodged) memory?


Sorry for diverting us down this (irrelevant to your point) tangent

Jonathan_S wrote:I take and certainly agree with your overall point. And yet the technical little nitpicker in me raised a flag over "12 Grazers per broadside"; that sounded like a heck of a lot for a BC. That's what a Nike-class BC(L) carries, and twice what a Reliant or Sultan-class BC carry.

Yes it is. SLN ships are optimized for energy range fights. It's why I think getting LACS in energy range of them is totally insane.

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No certain info on this, but remember old-fashioned warships, ie everything the SL has, concentrated much more on energy weapons than modern RMN or Havenite ships do. I wouldn't be surprised to find that SL BCs have lots of big grazers, which are now just so much dead-weight.

Randomiser wrote:No certain info on this, but remember old-fashioned warships, ie everything the SL has, concentrated much more on energy weapons than modern RMN or Havenite ships do. I wouldn't be surprised to find that SL BCs have lots of big grazers, which are now just so much dead-weight.

Unless you decide to fly a LAC in range of them...