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Re: Non-weapons of war, weapons of war
Post by saber964   » Sun Apr 13, 2014 10:05 pm

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Tenshinai wrote:
I've proposed this before. Why doesn't the college come up with the Slide Rule?


Add mechanical calculators, like the ones that became popular during the 19th century RW, to that and maths suddenly goes a lot quicker.

Perhaps the start of learned journals, perhaps with some seed ideas from an anomalous thinker naked Owl


A NAKED Owl? Do i want to know what kind of seed ideas that would be? :twisted:

General Eisenhower expressed the opinion that four inventions won World War II. They were the jeep, the C47 airplane, the two-and-a-half ton truck, and the bulldozer, none of which were designed for combat.


Meh. The truck maybe. Something vastly more important however was cutting down on margins of precision. Which in turn allowed things like the Liberty ships, even when parts were not made in the same place or with the same tools, they were close enough in size that they fit together without too much trouble.

So i´ll add that as my contribution.
Have someone put together a set of standards for measuring, both the tools for measuring, the measurements, and how they are used, then make sure that everyone uses that standard as soon as possible.

As part of this, you also reduce the margins of error that is acceptable.

What it means, is that if a nut and a bolt are supposed to fit together, they WILL.
Which for example means that spare parts will nearly always fit without adjustments, which can save a LOT of time and effort.

A perfect example of not doing this, is WWII Japan. Parts and spare parts for aircraft nearly always had to be individually fitted to aircraft, and worked on locally, even engines could often not be switched out without a lot of work.
Effectively, it doubled the amount of work-hours spent on the average aircraft and caused lots of wasted parts and material.


This leads to mass-production and reliable automatic firearms among other things.


Your standard measurements are already happening in LAMA with the creation of the Imperial Bureau of Standards. IIRC with the help of OWL the Charisians have reinvented things like the steel rule, calipers, micrometers and combination square.

Also this forum is for non-weapons and an automatic firearm is a weapon.
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Re: Non-weapons of war, weapons of war
Post by n7axw   » Sun Apr 13, 2014 10:54 pm

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Whingnut wrote:I know that they had a lot of clerks who did calculations. And I feel like all their books are hand written. The introduction of printed and movable type would revolutionize communication and education. Books would be less expensive to produce and the advances in propaganda would be significant. It would also allow for the creation of instruction manuals for manufacturing and construction that would be easy to reproduce.

Does anyone remember if the broadsheets are created on printing presses?


Yes. Remember the scene in "By Heresies Distressed" where Patryk Haimree, the silversmith, is laying out type as he is being monitored by one of Merlin's snarcs.

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Re: Non-weapons of war, weapons of war
Post by PeterZ   » Mon Apr 14, 2014 12:30 am

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I can see developing a steam automobile, steam truck and steam earth movers coming soon after this war is won. I just don't believe the CoGA can hold off the ICA armed with M96s. No C47s but perhaps a flash boiler steam powered dirigible.


Tonto Silerheels wrote:saber964 wrote:
This forum is for speculations on inventions that would help the Empire of C :) haris wage war but are not weapons eg cannons rifles, but would greatly enhance Charis war making potential in subtle ways like the sewing machine which can speed up the manufacture of things like uniforms, tents and blankets.

General Eisenhower expressed the opinion that four inventions won World War II. They were the jeep, the C47 airplane, the two-and-a-half ton truck, and the bulldozer, none of which were designed for combat.

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Re: Non-weapons of war, weapons of war
Post by Earldrygulch   » Mon Apr 14, 2014 8:41 am

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Tonto Silerheels wrote:saber964 wrote:
This forum is for speculations on inventions that would help the Empire of Charis wage war but are not weapons eg cannons rifles, but would greatly enhance Charis war making potential in subtle ways like the sewing machine which can speed up the manufacture of things like uniforms, tents and blankets.

General Eisenhower expressed the opinion that four inventions won World War II. They were the jeep, the C47 airplane, the two-and-a-half ton truck, and the bulldozer, none of which were designed for combat.

~Tonto


I don't expect that Ike would consider the Higgins boat that big a deal. MacArthur might, though.
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Re: Non-weapons of war, weapons of war
Post by AirTech   » Mon Apr 14, 2014 10:15 am

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Whingnut wrote:Marine chronometer to find the longitude. For greater accuracy in sea transportation. Actually knowing your longitute (latitude is relatively wasy) would lower the need for dead reckoning. A chronometer would require less information than celestial navigation (think of all those stars, planets, lunar cycles and their relative location on every night) It's invention would require the application of bimetallic springs. I know that safehold has some textev about watches I just forget where I read it (anyone know where). .

Of note. Failing to wind the chronometer on a ship was a mastable and keelhaulable offense.


Or invent a self winding chronometer - if they are sailing offshore then accurate time keeping saves lives.
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Re: Non-weapons of war, weapons of war
Post by AirTech   » Mon Apr 14, 2014 10:47 am

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PeterZ wrote:I can see developing a steam automobile, steam truck and steam earth movers coming soon after this war is won. I just don't believe the CoGA can hold off the ICA armed with M96s. No C47s but perhaps a flash boiler steam powered dirigible.


Tonto Silerheels wrote:saber964 wrote:
This forum is for speculations on inventions that would help the Empire of C :) haris wage war but are not weapons eg cannons rifles, but would greatly enhance Charis war making potential in subtle ways like the sewing machine which can speed up the manufacture of things like uniforms, tents and blankets.

General Eisenhower expressed the opinion that four inventions won World War II. They were the jeep, the C47 airplane, the two-and-a-half ton truck, and the bulldozer, none of which were designed for combat.

~Tonto


The petrol engines in the C-47 needed spark ignition, a Junkers / Napier opposed-piston diesel may be possible in the near term (look up the Ju205 series & Deltic). Flash boiler aeroplanes are also possible (but an inefficient use of resources as a diesel engine is lighter).
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Re: Non-weapons of war, weapons of war
Post by Tenshinai   » Mon Apr 14, 2014 10:49 am

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saber964 wrote:Also this forum is for non-weapons and an automatic firearm is a weapon.


:roll:

And i wasn´t suggesting a weapon, i noted that this allows easier massproduction and reliability, which greatly helps for automatics.

Your standard measurements are already happening in LAMA with the creation of the Imperial Bureau of Standards. IIRC with the help of OWL the Charisians have reinvented things like the steel rule, calipers, micrometers and combination square.


Maybe... Doesn´t go far enough yet.
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Re: Non-weapons of war, weapons of war
Post by PeterZ   » Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:04 am

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AirTech wrote:
PeterZ wrote:I can see developing a steam automobile, steam truck and steam earth movers coming soon after this war is won. I just don't believe the CoGA can hold off the ICA armed with M96s. No C47s but perhaps a flash boiler steam powered dirigible.


The petrol engines in the C-47 needed spark ignition, a Junkers / Napier opposed-piston diesel may be possible in the near term (look up the Ju205 series & Deltic). Flash boiler aeroplanes are also possible (but an inefficient use of resources as a diesel engine is lighter).


Revisiting diesel might be worth it, but I wonder if thoroughly developing steam first might be a wiser course. Toss too many new varieties of power sources at the existing clergy once the immediate threat of the CoGA is removed and they might just balk. I believe that thoroughly developing one source of power will ease the luddite tendencies of even the CoC clergy. Once steam systems become nigh ubiquitous, then introduce diesel. Besides, refining sufficient oil or producing other diesel usable fuels in commercial quantities is a long way off.
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Re: Non-weapons of war, weapons of war
Post by saber964   » Mon Apr 14, 2014 6:24 pm

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PeterZ wrote:
PeterZ wrote:I can see developing a steam automobile, steam truck and steam earth movers coming soon after this war is won. I just don't believe the CoGA can hold off the ICA armed with M96s. No C47s but perhaps a flash boiler steam powered dirigible.


The petrol engines in the C-47 needed spark ignition, a Junkers / Napier opposed-piston diesel may be possible in the near term (look up the Ju205 series & Deltic). Flash boiler aeroplanes are also possible (but an inefficient use of resources as a diesel engine is lighter).


Revisiting diesel might be worth it, but I wonder if thoroughly developing steam first might be a wiser course. Toss too many new varieties of power sources at the existing clergy once the immediate threat of the CoGA is removed and they might just balk. I believe that thoroughly developing one source of power will ease the luddite tendencies of even the CoC clergy. Once steam systems become nigh ubiquitous, then introduce diesel. Besides, refining sufficient oil or producing other diesel usable fuels in commercial quantities is a long way off.[/quote]
Uh, IIRC during the 1860's and 70's they were refining crude oil into kerosene and dumping gasoline just by heating it
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Re: Non-weapons of war, weapons of war
Post by PeterZ   » Mon Apr 14, 2014 7:15 pm

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I'll take your word for it, Sabre964. I would wonder though, if the weight and complexity of the transmission required in a diesel engine would make using the less efficient kerosene viable compared to using kerosene in a flashboiler steam engine. Not sure whick option would be optimal.
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