Silverlode and serfs

n7axw wrote:Hi Lyonheart,

Juast curious as to where you are coming up with your info on topography of Silverlode. I would deeply appreciate the references.

Don

lyonheart wrote:Hi Mwadwell,

I'm sorry, but where did you get the impression I meant to ever move so many to Silverlode or Charis?

I never gave any such figure, so your 25 million is quite a puzzle to me, let alone the rest of your argument.

Perhaps you're confusing me with PeterZ, which I'll take as a compliment, despite how often we've disagreed on threads here.

There may be secondary migration movement, but I have no intention that it be subsidized like the primary exodus.

As I stated last time, I expect the empire's own population to provide all the Silverlode colonists needed.

Among other things they can get there much more quickly, ie within 5days after its announced.

By the way, since Silverlode is more than half the size of Australia, ie its probably somewhere between 1.6-2 million square miles, while the mountainous region is only 70% larger than Texas, or just 457,000 square miles or only about a quarter of that territory.

I do expect Charis to have an 'open door', but the fact that there are already towns on Greentree Island and the Barren Lands themselves [on the online map] indicate the work of consecration has already begun, so expanding it once the war is over shouldn't be too difficult, especially with steam powered machinery to help, and if a third of the increasingly obsolete Charisian sailing ships are used for sailing freed serfs to their new homes, starting with Greentree, Westbreak and the consecrated portion of the Barren Lands, plus the ICN's steam transport ships plus dozens if not a couple hundred new built ones ordered for this crusade over the early post war years that take up the burden as the sailing ships are retired, which incidentally helps lower the price for other purchasers, then potentially 20-30 or more million ex-serfs could be delivered to their promised land(s) annually.

again, I don't expect all serfs to be bought, rather when only around 50% are left in-country, the demand for labor should improve their condition naturally.

Given how often slaves have been considered economic burdens on their societies, there will be many masters willing to sell, the primary target is Harchong, especially the northern Harchong, with the more than the rest NTM where the treatment seems the worst, and achieving societal surprise the most critical.

Reuniting the turned GHoGatA soldiers with their families would obviously be the first priority, who could easily be offered to homestead abandoned farmland in Siddarmark or the soon-to-be vacated Border States, Temple Lands etc.

Aside: Among the societal impacts to consider during the early post war era will be the millions of TL's fleeing west from Siddarmark [up to 60 million?], and the non serf populations of the Border States (~20M), Dohlar (18M), and the eastern temple lands (9M), for 107M without trying to figure how many Silkians would leave, and how many serfs would also prefer to refuse their freedom if given by heretics, etc.

Given the middle class nature of the Siddarmark refugees, as well as many of the Border States, Dohlar etc; assimilating them into Harchong or the temple lands might be very awkward as they'll expect to be treated like full citizens very quickly, which will be fun to watch.

Sodar, and Delferahk are obviously the lowest priority, though many may bought there soon anyway.

I hope this helps further explain where I think such a plan could go.

Your additional ideas will be appreciated.

L

lyonheart wrote:Hi N7AXW,

The size of Silverlode is from the first reference to the Mohryah lode by Nahrmahn, about 2/3 of the way through chapter 3 of July in LaMA, while the size of its mountainous region is described as 70% larger than Texas is halfway through chapter 2 in September; where Underhill is wondering who ever had a problem like his new one.

L

n7axw wrote:Hi Lyonheart,

Juast curious as to where you are coming up with your info on topography of Silverlode. I would deeply appreciate the references.

Don

DennisLee wrote:If you're thinking of resettling people from Harchong, what about Trellheim? Looks like it is close enough to be administered from either Corisande or Chisholm, plus it would be a short journey from the West coast of Harchong to the East coast of Trellheim.

n7axw wrote:Hi Peter,

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In short, I still don't see how the idea is practical. Rather than being something that evolves naturally, what we are talking about here is a huge experiment in social engineering; one that would have the potential of going tragically wrong.

Don

PeterZ wrote:

n7axw wrote:Hi Peter,

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In short, I still don't see how the idea is practical. Rather than being something that evolves naturally, what we are talking about here is a huge experiment in social engineering; one that would have the potential of going tragically wrong.

Don

I agree with you here, Don. What mitigates the risk a bit, is that the EoC is already engaged in a more complex social engineering experiment already. Merging the Empire together is already trying to incorporate 6 nations into one unified Empire. Including the heavy dose of immigration into relatively unpopulated areas of Silverlode is pretty minor in comparison.

(SNIP)