SPOILER-Ahlverez's AAR : ie After Action Report, & Fyrmyn's

Henry Brown wrote:

saber964 wrote:Ahlverez is going to have several pressing concerns besides trying to get a AAR back to Gorath.

1)Food
2)Ammo
3)trying to break contact with the ICA and RSA
4)evading contact while trying to break back to Dolahr or Desnair

He broke contact with Duke Eastshare's army before the end of LAMA. Though he does still have to get by the ICA and RSA forces around Thesmar. I suspect he will try to evade them rather than engage them, so ammo shouldn't be an issue either.

Where Ahlverez headed did break contact but were he's headed will trap him, unless he can get through to the west he's his only option is to try to evac by sea or cross at the entrance to Sandfish Bay he has to contend with Ft Sandfish and Ft Darymahn to the south and south east. If he heads due east he runs into Southguard Provence.

I do not think that Ahlverez will succeed in extracting his army, he will likely be hemoraging troops all the way back, although it is possible that the Go4 will send a relief column, I suspect that most of his remaining forces, and the desnari who have attached themselves to him will not escape.

As to him sending a report, he might, but I do not see much of a reason for him to do so, unless he is releasing wyrvens. As to what he could say, he should emphasize that all ICA cavalry is now mounted infantry as far as he can tell, he is slightly wrong, some of them do know how to use cold steel and lances. He has probably already sent messages describing the AoJ's logistics problems (they were trying, but the hole was so deep), and doctrinal problems (keeping a cavalry force concetrated in a line formation, rather than spliting it into different columns and a wide ranging screen). He has also probably mentioned the AoJ's willingness to let him handle building the new semaphore line on his lonesome. As to what effect this would have, somehow I doubt that the desnari will accept trainers, although, it would not suprise me to find out that the Go4 will force 'advisors' down the empire's throat. That might be an ironic twist from the depths of MWW creativity, Ahlveraz goes out with the Desnari again.

Hi Saber964,

Given the lack of Go4 naval lift, let alone the communication and coordination issues I don't think Rainos ever considered going to Sandfish bay or Fort Darymahn.

Henry Brown's quite right; Rainos broke contact with DE, at the cost of his whole rear guard, and while Hanth may have more rifles now, he's got far fewer men spread out between Somyr and Everytyn, almost 400 miles according to the online map from MTaT with 20,000 men or less, which severely limits any hope Hanth can prevent him passing through his supply route or reaching the St Alyk below Syrk etc.

Shucks, Ahlverez might attack Hanth from the rear, if not make some successful raids on allied supply columns, besides overwhelming the largest detachment's Hanth might consider assigning to look for him or hold river fords etc.

What will be most interesting, if Rainos does surprise a supply convoy etc, how will he treat his allied prisoners?

Will he treat them well, as payment for his wounded being treated well, or abandon them to his remaining inquisitors?

Thus we will learn if Ahlverez has grown during this campaign.

L

saber964 wrote:**quote="Henry Brown"**[quote="saber964"]Ahlverez is going to have several pressing concerns besides trying to get a AAR back to Gorath.

1)Food
2)Ammo
3)trying to break contact with the ICA and RSA
4)evading contact while trying to break back to Dolahr or Desnair**/quote**

He broke contact with Duke Eastshare's army before the end of LAMA. Though he does still have to get by the ICA and RSA forces around Thesmar. I suspect he will try to evade them rather than engage them, so ammo shouldn't be an issue either.

Where Ahlverez headed did break contact but were he's headed will trap him, unless he can get through to the west he's his only option is to try to evac by sea or cross at the entrance to Sandfish Bay he has to contend with Ft Sandfish and Ft Darymahn to the south and south east. If he heads due east he runs into Southguard Provence.[/quote]

Is there anything that is 'top secret' in the defeat of the CoGA by the EoC forces? I think not. So, to allow the hierarchy of Ahlverez's Command Staff to escape will probably do more to discourage aristocracy of Dohlar and Desnair as well as the rank and file of the CoGA in general. It will require some skill and schemes, but with SNARKs and helpful Seijin, this might be both possible and profitable. FUD is fun!

Hi Charybdis,

Kudos for being very sneaky!

But that assumes the Desnari nobles will admit how they screwed everything up to their fellow aristocrats, especially to their friends.

How often does that happen?

Then just how much do you expect the Desnari regime (if Mahrys IV gets a vote) would permit to be made public, since the details are so damaging to its reputation?

While the prospect is entrancing, the details would probably derail the intended result.

L

Charybdis wrote:Is there anything that is 'top secret' in the defeat of the CoGA by the EoC forces? I think not. So, to allow the hierarchy of Ahlverez's Command Staff to escape will probably do more to discourage aristocracy of Dohlar and Desnair as well as the rank and file of the CoGA in general. It will require some skill and schemes, but with SNARKs and helpful Seijin, this might be both possible and profitable. FUD is fun!

lyonheart wrote:Hi Charybdis,

Kudos for being very sneaky!

But that assumes the Desnari nobles will admit how they screwed everything up to their fellow aristocrats, especially to their friends.

How often does that happen?

Then just how much do you expect the Desnari regime (if Mahrys IV gets a vote) would permit to be made public, since the details are so damaging to its reputation?

While the prospect is entrancing, the details would probably derail the intended result.

L

Charybdis wrote:Is there anything that is 'top secret' in the defeat of the CoGA by the EoC forces? I think not. So, to allow the hierarchy of Ahlverez's Command Staff to escape will probably do more to discourage aristocracy of Dohlar and Desnair as well as the rank and file of the CoGA in general. It will require some skill and schemes, but with SNARKs and helpful Seijin, this might be both possible and profitable. FUD is fun!

Ah, but you will have 2 maybe 3 or 4 debriefs of the 'escapees' [including Desnair Army leadership as well]. First the debriefs by each's seniors (Monarch & Court of Dohlar/Desnair) and then (perhaps) by the Inquisition! So how well will these stories 'coordinate' and how much blame will be pointed at their respective Ally?

Since the textev is that there has never been a deep well of affection between these countries, I can see the Church being hauled in to mediate even in the unlikely event that Clyntahn doesn't forcibly intervene on his own. This could create MANY orphans, following the truism that has to have made it to Safehold of; "Victory has a thousand fathers, defeat is an orphan!"

No matter what, this leads to dissent in the CoGA ranks and command - a good thing for Merlin and his allies, right?

Way too complicated and uncertain. Always a bad idea to let experienced command level staff get away, NTM difficult to do without allowing sizable numbers of veteran troops to get away too. Much better to catch them all up if possible and have the next army you face be green troops officered by inexperienced people who have little practical idea of how modern weapons actually work out on a battlefield. KISS, as they say.

Letting Ahlverez escape is probably not ideal, 40,000 men is a decent sized force as well so hunting it down or just ensuring that is completely withdrawn from this years campaign would be a priority. Given Ahlverez's supply situation, NTM how its own messengers cant find him it will be interesting to see how he recovers. For one thing Ahlverez will not want to go near Desnair, the explanation that his force is all that's left of the army of justice will not be received well.

For the other commanders though, there is no value in hunting them down, Hankey and Hennet are pretty much total incompetents ESPECIALLY compared to what the Admirals of Desnair accomplished from scratch. IMO I doubt Desnair can make an army that Charis could not slaughter with ease. Until they correct the issues within their social structure, mainly the love of cavalry, inability to arm their army to current standards and creating a supply line for their army Charis is far better using their military resources against the CoGA still in Siddarmark.

[b][quote="Randomiser"]Always a bad idea to let experienced command level staff get away, NTM difficult to do without allowing sizable numbers of veteran troops to get away too. Much better to catch them all up if possible and have the next army you face be green troops officered by inexperienced people who have little practical idea of how modern weapons actually work out on a battlefield.


Yes sir!! Lessons learned by Alverez will result in many casualities... for Charis.

tootall wrote:[b]

Randomiser wrote:Always a bad idea to let experienced command level staff get away, NTM difficult to do without allowing sizable numbers of veteran troops to get away too. Much better to catch them all up if possible and have the next army you face be green troops officered by inexperienced people who have little practical idea of how modern weapons actually work out on a battlefield.


Yes sir!! Lessons learned by Alverez will result in many casualities... for Charis.

Very good point tootall and also yours CJK about Desnair. Still, I wonder how soon Ahlverez could get back into battery. There is major destruction and few reserves in both the Dohlar and Desnairian military. But still, removing a thinking general from the board is better than letting him plan better strategy.