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Sharp Claw wrote:Jmbm, in the early days of ironclads, up to the early Dreadnoughts, coal was a severe limitation on long range operations. Coal being a much bulkier fuel than diesel and requiring a fleet of colliers or a string of coaling stations to support long range operations. I did find one reference on the web with stats on coal powered fleets.

http://books.google.com/books?id=KRg9AA ... al&f=false

In your logistic calculations, were you planning on taking the fleet from Cheyrath to the gulf of Dohlar with a fleet of colliers and re bunkering the warships then going to Claw Island or stopping at Claw Island, then making the round trip from claw to Dohlar and back to Claw Island. either way they would need enough coal for 17, 000 miles of steaming. 9,000 from Cheyrath to Claw, 4,000 from Claw to Dohlar, 4,000 from Dohlar back to Claw, or 13,000 from Cheyrath to Dohlar and 4,000 from Dohlar to Claw.

Sharp Claw wrote:In your logistic calculations, were you planning on taking the fleet from Cheyrath to the gulf of Dohlar with a fleet of colliers and re bunkering the warships then going to Claw Island or stopping at Claw Island, then making the round trip from claw to Dohlar and back to Claw Island. either way they would need enough coal for 17, 000 miles of steaming. 9,000 from Cheyrath to Claw, 4,000 from Claw to Dohlar, 4,000 from Dohlar back to Claw, or 13,000 from Cheyrath to Dohlar and 4,000 from Dohlar to Claw.

jmbm wrote:So the real logistical problem is how to support a battleship attack on Dohlar, including a final attack on Gorath Bay. It is not just the number of colliers needed, it would also probably involve setting up a second coaling station well inside the Gulf of Dohlar. The first Charisian expedition into the Gulf of Dohlar conquered initially not only Claw Island but also Trove Island in the Dohlar Bank.

jmbm wrote:Off Trove Island,
Gulf of Dohlar
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From a Charisian perspective, leaving nice, convenient island bases less than five hundred miles off the coast of Dohlar wide open to enemy occupation was an act of lunacy.
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As a temporary anchorage for minor repairs or resupply, it would do very well, indeed.

DrakBibliophile wrote:Nod

Part of the reason that "the sun never sets on the British Empire" is that the British set up coaling stations all over the world.

As long as Charis's steam warships require coal, Charis will have to set up coaling stations all over Safehold.

Sharp Claw wrote:Jmbm, in the early days of ironclads, up to the early Dreadnoughts, coal was a severe limitation on long range operations. Coal being a much bulkier fuel than diesel and requiring a fleet of colliers or a string of coaling stations to support long range operations. I did find one reference on the web with stats on coal powered fleets.

http://books.google.com/books?id=KRg9AA ... al&f=false

In your logistic calculations, were you planning on taking the fleet from Cheyrath to the gulf of Dohlar with a fleet of colliers and re bunkering the warships then going to Claw Island or stopping at Claw Island, then making the round trip from claw to Dohlar and back to Claw Island. either way they would need enough coal for 17, 000 miles of steaming. 9,000 from Cheyrath to Claw, 4,000 from Claw to Dohlar, 4,000 from Dohlar back to Claw, or 13,000 from Cheyrath to Dohlar and 4,000 from Dohlar to Claw.

jmbm wrote:

Sharp Claw wrote:In your logistic calculations, were you planning on taking the fleet from Cheyrath to the gulf of Dohlar with a fleet of colliers and re bunkering the warships then going to Claw Island or stopping at Claw Island, then making the round trip from claw to Dohlar and back to Claw Island. either way they would need enough coal for 17, 000 miles of steaming. 9,000 from Cheyrath to Claw, 4,000 from Claw to Dohlar, 4,000 from Dohlar back to Claw, or 13,000 from Cheyrath to Dohlar and 4,000 from Dohlar to Claw.

Please refer to my original post:

jmbm wrote:So the real logistical problem is how to support a battleship attack on Dohlar, including a final attack on Gorath Bay. It is not just the number of colliers needed, it would also probably involve setting up a second coaling station well inside the Gulf of Dohlar. The first Charisian expedition into the Gulf of Dohlar conquered initially not only Claw Island but also Trove Island in the Dohlar Bank.

In "A Mighty Fortress" a Charisian naval expedition made up exclusively of sailing ships and that did not intend to attack Gorath Bay needed anyhow a second advanced base at Trove Island to support sailing ship operations inside the Gulf of Dohlar.

jmbm wrote:Off Trove Island,
Gulf of Dohlar
<snip>
From a Charisian perspective, leaving nice, convenient island bases less than five hundred miles off the coast of Dohlar wide open to enemy occupation was an act of lunacy.
<snip>
As a temporary anchorage for minor repairs or resupply, it would do very well, indeed.

If a second base was needed for sailing ships, it would be even more necessary for steamships. So, Charis needs to set up at least 2 coaling stations to support the KH VIIs attacking Gorath, one at Claw Island and another one well inside the Gulf, either in the Dohlar Bank area (like in AMF) or in one of the islands closer to Gorath Bay (Dragon or Lizard islands).

Map of Safehold

DrakBibliophile wrote:Nod

Part of the reason that "the sun never sets on the British Empire" is that the British set up coaling stations all over the world.

Sharp Claw wrote:Jmbm, in the early days of ironclads, up to the early Dreadnoughts, coal was a severe limitation on long range operations. Coal being a much bulkier fuel than diesel and requiring a fleet of colliers or a string of coaling stations to support long range operations. I did find one reference on the web with stats on coal powered fleets.

http://books.google.com/books?id=KRg9AA ... al&f=false

In your logistic calculations, were you planning on taking the fleet from Cheyrath to the gulf of Dohlar with a fleet of colliers and re bunkering the warships then going to Claw Island or stopping at Claw Island, then making the round trip from claw to Dohlar and back to Claw Island. either way they would need enough coal for 17, 000 miles of steaming. 9,000 from Cheyrath to Claw, 4,000 from Claw to Dohlar, 4,000 from Dohlar back to Claw, or 13,000 from Cheyrath to Dohlar and 4,000 from Dohlar to Claw.

chickladoria wrote:
SNIP

Charis has the strategic movement advantage which could be used to offset manpower disadvantages. Wasn't there an expression " boot them, don't splatter them" (translated from the german) which applies to the situation here.