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jmbm wrote:I'll try to come up with some numbers regarding the coaling logistics needed to operate Charisian steamships in the Gulf of Dohlar, assumming they sail all the way from Chisholm, like Sharpfield's fleet did in LAMA.

I'm estimating the distance between Cheyrath and Claw Island to be around 9,000 miles. In AMF Thirsk estimated the distance between Claw Island and Gorath Bay as 4,000 miles. So, 13,000....

Would that not be 17,000 miles? 9,000 + 8,000. Unless u were planning on a one-way trip to Gorath Bay, scuttling the ironclads & returning to Claw island on sailing ships.

I wonder if the infantry reinforecements for Sharpefield will come from Zebiedeh and Corsinade. Given they are now peaceful and part of the empire. Pull part of the orginal garrisons and new recruits. Use them as raiding parties or to secure various islands for bases before the KHV's arrive.

Frankjg wrote:I wonder if the infantry reinforecements for Sharpefield will come from Zebiedeh and Corsinade. Given they are now peaceful and part of the empire. Pull part of the orginal garrisons and new recruits. Use them as raiding parties or to secure various islands for bases before the KHV's arrive.

Lots of recruits from Zebediah showing up in Chisholm, training area for ICA. Quality looks good and loyalty is high. Corisinde still a bit behind but strong numbers of previously trained men potentially available from Prince Hector's defeated army, but will require some time to be available due to both retraining and political factors.

Our esteemed author does have a bit of a side plot going with Sharleyan's more restive nobles in Chisholm. It will be interesting to see if that can be nipped in the bud before it gets out of hand or if she will need the training core and some of those loyal Zebedian recruits to deal with it.

Don

Frankjg wrote:I wonder if the infantry reinforecements for Sharpefield will come from Zebiedeh and Corsinade. Given they are now peaceful and part of the empire. Pull part of the orginal garrisons and new recruits. Use them as raiding parties or to secure various islands for bases before the KHV's arrive.

Howyl Chermyn, Grand Duke Zebediah, organized his own army and sent recruits to the ICA. I suspect that the ICA branch in Zebediah had its own cadre. The same will likely be true in Corisande. The marines stationed there after the conquest will serve to form a cadre for transitioning the RCA into the ICA. Odds are that the ICA will still take recruits for training in Chisholm.

The marine centric Corisandians will be very well suited and trained for amphib work along the Dohlaran coast as well as taking the odd island coaling base. I do look forward to seeing Sir Alyk and his calavanting cavaliers armed with M96s and a brace of revolvers roaming a tad deeper into the Dohlaran countryside. Talk about placing an eager child in a candy store! I am sure Hektor will insist on more than a few officers and non-coms from the ICA mounted brigades to help him along.

Didn't they get sent to Chisholm for training??? I seem to remember Sharleyan mentioning the Zebediahan training cadre as additional protection for her after all her own soldiers were shipped out.

PeterZ wrote:...

Howyl Chermyn, Grand Duke Zebediah, organized his own army and sent recruits to the ICA. I suspect that the ICA branch in Zebediah had its own cadre...

The recruits did get sent to Chisholm. Recall that Sharleyan also said that Chermyn has turned the Zebediahn Army into something that protected Zebediahns not preyed on it. I took that to mean that Chermyn did his own training on the local forces at his command.

jgnfld wrote:Didn't they get sent to Chisholm for training??? I seem to remember Sharleyan mentioning the Zebediahan training cadre as additional protection for her after all her own soldiers were shipped out.

PeterZ wrote:...

Howyl Chermyn, Grand Duke Zebediah, organized his own army and sent recruits to the ICA. I suspect that the ICA branch in Zebediah had its own cadre...

PeterZ wrote:

phillies wrote:An interesting clue. Or not.

I do not recall the text ever mentioning the last name of the King of Delferak.

However, it is in the appendices.

It is Rayno.

Is Clyntahn's #2 man a relative? I do not recall textev.

Yes, he is a relative. The King had bitterly lamented the singular lack of aid coming from his cousin(?). I don't believe they were siblings.

Then Rayno is also related to Iris and Daivan

dwileye13 wrote:

PeterZ wrote:
Yes, he is a relative. The King had bitterly lamented the singular lack of aid coming from his cousin(?). I don't believe they were siblings.

Then Rayno is also related to Iris and Daivan

By marriage. King Zhames' queen is related to Hektor or Irys' mother.

Sharp Claw wrote:

jmbm wrote:I'm estimating the distance between Cheyrath and Claw Island to be around 9,000 miles. In AMF Thirsk estimated the distance between Claw Island and Gorath Bay as 4,000 miles. So, 13,000....

Would that not be 17,000 miles? 9,000 + 8,000. Unless u were planning on a one-way trip to Gorath Bay, scuttling the ironclads & returning to Claw island on sailing ships.

Hi Claw,

Sorry, there's one piece of information on coaling from LAMA I didn`t include in the post, assumming people would have read the book. I'm including the relevant quote herebelow.

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jmbm wrote:November 896 - Chapter III.

Port Royal, Kingdom of Chisholm, Empire of Charis
“So, Zohzef—are we going to get this done on schedule, or not?” Sir Lewk Cohlmyn, the Earl of Sharpfield, inquired.
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The colliers are already here, and we’ll have the last of the coal loaded by the end of this five-day, although I’ve discovered we need more supply ships than we’d thought we would when this was all just a gleam in the High Admiral’s eye.
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Not that I wouldn’t just as soon have the first of the King Haarahlds instead. Of course, that’s rather the point, I imagine.”

By the time the first King Haaralds arrive to Claw Island there will be a coaling station there.

Jmbm, in the early days of ironclads, up to the early Dreadnoughts, coal was a severe limitation on long range operations. Coal being a much bulkier fuel than diesel and requiring a fleet of colliers or a string of coaling stations to support long range operations. I did find one reference on the web with stats on coal powered fleets.

http://books.google.com/books?id=KRg9AA ... al&f=false

In your logistic calculations, were you planning on taking the fleet from Cheyrath to the gulf of Dohlar with a fleet of colliers and re bunkering the warships then going to Claw Island or stopping at Claw Island, then making the round trip from claw to Dohlar and back to Claw Island. either way they would need enough coal for 17, 000 miles of steaming. 9,000 from Cheyrath to Claw, 4,000 from Claw to Dohlar, 4,000 from Dohlar back to Claw, or 13,000 from Cheyrath to Dohlar and 4,000 from Dohlar to Claw.