Future weapons based on LAMA small SPOILER.

EdThomas wrote:To which members of the Inquisition does S n C's proclamatiion concerning the fate of captured Inquisitors appply? If it only applies to priests serving with military units any truce should see a large number of the bastards still serving Mother Church. If it applies to all members of the Inquisition, any truce terms should include turning over all members of the Inquisition to the EOC and it's allies for execution.

Decided to answer my own question
Excerpted from Staynair's proclamation - full quote is below "Inquisitors— not simply intendants, not simply Schuelerites, but those in the direct and personal service of the Grand Inquisitor— shall receive precisely what the Writ promises them."

So unless C n S want to say "well, we didn't really mean that" it would appear that not only will the Inquisition's influence be diminished, the Inquisition will cease to exist. At Sarkyn, Merlin seemed to set the precedent for including non-clerics who do the grunt work for the Inquisition as subject to the proclamation.

HFAF p 349 – 350 my bolding
Mikael Staynair after consultation with Cayleb and Sharleyan
“But— but, my children!— the Inquisition has shown itself to be the enemy of all mankind. Whatever it may once have been, it has fallen into the grasp of men like Zhaspahr Clyntahn who have distorted and twisted it into something which it may never be possible to cleanse again. Its members have become not servants of God but His enemies. God gave all men free will, the ability to choose, and they have chosen to serve the Dark, instead.

“So be it. ‘As he sows, so shall he reap, and the mercy he denies to others shall be denied to him in his turn.’ There will be no torture, but neither will there be mercy. From this day forth, Inquisitors— not simply intendants, not simply Schuelerites, but those in the direct and personal service of the Grand Inquisitor— shall receive precisely what the Writ promises them. As they have chosen to deny mercy to others, it will be denied to them. Soldiers and sailors may be allowed to surrender and receive the humane, honorable treatment to which their actions have entitled them; Inquisitors will not. Let the word go forth, my children. Let there be no ambiguity, no misunderstanding. Those who wish to renounce the distorted and twisted policies and commands of Zhaspahr Clyntahn are free to do so. They may still face trial and punishment for acts they have already committed, but they will be granted that trial. And for those who do not wish to renounce their allegiance to Zhaspahr Clyntahn, who continue to willingly lend themselves to his acts of murder and terrorism and torture, there will be a different policy. The only trial they will receive is to determine whether or not they truly are servants of the Inquisition, and if they are so found to be, there will be only one sentence, and that sentence will be executed upon them immediately and without appeal, just as surely as, in the fullness of time and God’s good grace, it will be executed upon Zhaspahr Clyntahn himself.”

This discussion seemed to stray from the furfure weapons to how to punish Go4 or inquisitors after the war is won
We have to wait and see if a machine gun gets introduced in this conflict but how about a rifle grenade?
Or with introduction of dynamite ( we know its used or will be used soon in mining) can you use it in the grenade instead of BP?

mistwalker wrote:With the introduction of metallic cartridge and the smokeless powder the invention field of future firearms is wide open but I was wondering would be a practical for Charisian Empire?

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There is only one weapon I think should be introduced and that is a machine gun. Because they are squad weapons not individual one, one production line could be set up to producing one and the advantages are obvious. As to the design of the weapon, with the Owl's help better designs that Maxim or Gatling gun are possible, two that come to mind are M1919 Browning design or MG42 design and using the same ammunition that rifle you don't even have to produce different caliber of ammo. My favourite would be MG42 due to the ratio of fire and weight advantage but I don't know if that would be possible without being accused by inquisition of Shan-wei influence. What do you think?

The only problem, is that with the current M96 cartridge, it's going to be a hell of a MG! In fact, to handle that kind of recoil, it's going to be too large to be called a "squad weapon".

From memory, with smokeless powder, the M96 cartridge will push a 500 grain bullet to 2700 fps. This is comparable to a M2 bullet of ~650 grains at ~3000 fps.

So the M96 MG will have a similar role as the M2, which is a company support weapon (not a squad weapon).

Of course, if a smaller calibre bullet is developed (i.e. for a AK-style semiautomatic rifle), then that would be perfect for a squad weapon.....

jmbm wrote:Hello Damonby,

Your historical reference to the Nuremberg trial should bear in mind that the same people who decided to hold those trials against the Nazis also decided that the Emperor of Japan had been a figurehead that had nothing at all to do with Japanese expansion into China and Pearl Harbor.

Applied to Safehold, Cayled and Sharleyan will proclaim that Duchairn and Maigwair were ignorant Hiro Hitos victims of Clyntahn's evil intentions if it is politically convenient.

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Just to point out, that while Duchairn and Maigwair were involved in the original decision to punish Charis, from then on Clyntahn has been the one escalating (i.e. the Sword of Schueler), and he's been doing it without involving Duchairn or Maigwair.

mistwalker wrote:This discussion seemed to stray from the furfure weapons to how to punish Go4 or inquisitors after the war is won
We have to wait and see if a machine gun gets introduced in this conflict but how about a rifle grenade?
Or with introduction of dynamite ( we know its used or will be used soon in mining) can you use it in the grenade instead of BP?

Don't be sneaking around, trying to recapture your stolen thread!

Actually, a rifle grenade is a great idea, especially after Charis comes up with a stable nitrocellulose explosive. I'm rooting for a rapid development of Cordite. It is stable, solid, can be extruded like a yellow licorice stick and had a long useful life. Something like that should make a rifle grenade very do able.

Good luck getting the thread back!

mistwalker wrote:This discussion seemed to stray from the furfure weapons to how to punish Go4 or inquisitors after the war is won
We have to wait and see if a machine gun gets introduced in this conflict but how about a rifle grenade?
Or with introduction of dynamite ( we know its used or will be used soon in mining) can you use it in the grenade instead of BP?

I suggested a single shot grenade launcher like the M-79 earlier in the thread. In real life, it didn't show up until the Korean war era and it saw extensive use in Vietnam as well. But I don't see any technological reason it couldn't be made before that period. It is not a very complicated weapon.

EdThomas wrote:To which members of the Inquisition does S n C's proclamatiion concerning the fate of captured Inquisitors appply? If it only applies to priests serving with military units any truce should see a large number of the bastards still serving Mother Church. If it applies to all members of the Inquisition, any truce terms should include turning over all members of the Inquisition to the EOC and it's allies for execution.

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EdThomas wrote: Decided to answer my own question
Excerpted from Staynair's proclamation - full quote is below "Inquisitors— not simply intendants, not simply Schuelerites, but those in the direct and personal service of the Grand Inquisitor— shall receive precisely what the Writ promises them."

Yes, but is this an expansion or a restriction of the shoot on sight category? I kind of took it to mean that it wasn't aimed at those who were simply intendants or simply Scheulerites but at those who were actually full blown inquisitors in the direct and personal service of the Grand Inquisitor. What about Bishop Maik for example. Or honest intendants like Paityr? Are they to be terminated with extreme prejudice?

I wasn't 100% sure which way round to read it because I felt lacking in background. What do the rest of you think?

Henry Brown wrote:

mistwalker wrote:This discussion seemed to stray from the furfure weapons to how to punish Go4 or inquisitors after the war is won
We have to wait and see if a machine gun gets introduced in this conflict but how about a rifle grenade?
Or with introduction of dynamite ( we know its used or will be used soon in mining) can you use it in the grenade instead of BP?

I suggested a single shot grenade launcher like the M-79 earlier in the thread. In real life, it didn't show up until the Korean war era and it saw extensive use in Vietnam as well. But I don't see any technological reason it couldn't be made before that period. It is not a very complicated weapon.

Have a look up the wikipedia article on Hand mortars - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand_mortar

While the initial versions (i.e. those from the 1600's) weren't very sucessful, an updated version is definitely possible with Safehold's tech....

(P.s. This isn't my idea, when I saw this thread I remembered another member of this board posting an image of a hand mortar that they/a friend had made.)

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IMO, Maik and Paityr are Schuelerites but are NOT Inquisitors.

They are not targets for immediate execution.

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Randomiser wrote:

EdThomas wrote:To which members of the Inquisition does S n C's proclamatiion concerning the fate of captured Inquisitors appply? If it only applies to priests serving with military units any truce should see a large number of the bastards still serving Mother Church. If it applies to all members of the Inquisition, any truce terms should include turning over all members of the Inquisition to the EOC and it's allies for execution.

EdThomas wrote: Decided to answer my own question
Excerpted from Staynair's proclamation - full quote is below "Inquisitors— not simply intendants, not simply Schuelerites, but those in the direct and personal service of the Grand Inquisitor— shall receive precisely what the Writ promises them."

Yes, but is this an expansion or a restriction of the shoot on sight category? I kind of took it to mean that it wasn't aimed at those who were simply intendants or simply Scheulerites but at those who were actually full blown inquisitors in the direct and personal service of the Grand Inquisitor. What about Bishop Maik for example. Or honest intendants like Paityr? Are they to be terminated with extreme prejudice?

I wasn't 100% sure which way round to read it because I felt lacking in background. What do the rest of you think?[/quote]

I suggested a single shot grenade launcher like the M-79 earlier in the thread. In real life, it didn't show up until the Korean war era and it saw extensive use in Vietnam as well. But I don't see any technological reason it couldn't be made before that period. It is not a very complicated weapon.

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That will work too, but to develop a single shot grenade launcher you have to develop another weapon system while with rifle grenade any rifleman will become grenadier, all you need is a rifle. There are certain advantage and disadvantage for both systems and this is one weapon which should show itself in the immediate future, but that of cause depends on David