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Re: Spoiler Ridden HFQ guesses
Post by Starsaber   » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:08 pm

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grendel_one wrote:The 'great' thing about 2 Nimue's is that now you can kill one of them off.

maybe not next book, but eventually


. . . do you honestly expect both to survive?


Feels too tawdry and obvious for our author. That goes triple if he kills off Nimue (No red shirt and she's not called Joe Buckley) so it would have to be Merlin ....


I could see it go either way, really. Nimue is the more obvious choice, but with Merlin's mental state, I think he would almost find it a relief if he died.
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Re: Spoiler Ridden HFQ guesses
Post by Cyradis4   » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:55 pm

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While I could definitely do with less view points, I don't think killing off either Nimue or Merlin would help that matter much... I'm sure DW could find an additional dozen to fill the void effortlessly. :lol:

Question, there was a mention in this thread I think of a preview of HFQ? My kindle version from Amazon didn't have it, so I was wondering if I'd miss-read...

With regards to Aivah being an original Archangel / "Eve", wasn't there textev somewhere that said you couldn't be in suspended animation for 9 centuries?

As for her having a com... It didn't even occur to me until I saw you guys discussing it. Aivah is a sharp cookie, I'm sure just being around Merlin / Ahbraim was enough to make her suspicious, and a bit of detective work, once she was suspicious, is all she'd need. Also I found Merlin's comments about keeping identities straight to be a for-shadowing that he hadn't succeeded there as well as he'd thought. DW is a master at doing such. Her hiding her ability to communicate with her spies, also, could be simply a matter of great skill / Merlin not putting enough effort into it to spot it. Her avoiding the guards to get to his quarters is, however a bit suspicious.
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Re: Spoiler Ridden HFQ guesses
Post by grendel_one   » Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:05 pm

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AClone wrote:And no, I don't think that having a "spare" means that you can kill one off.


Sure it does, it's the Highlander rule: There can be only one :D

When Battlestar Galactica found Pegasus, Pegasus had to go.

When Voyager and her crew were 'cloned' on the Demon class planet, the clone got dissolved.

When they found Data's evil twin Lore, he got killed (eventually).
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Re: Spoiler Ridden HFQ guesses
Post by The Cyber PICA   » Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:42 pm

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Kufat wrote:I have a nasty suspicion that the Harchongese army might find itself with the dubious and unenviable honor of being the first to face automatic weapons fire. (Well, the original model Gatling gun was cranked, not really automatic as such, but that's a rather academic detail when you're on the wrong end of one.)

I'm not basing this on any one piece of text. It seems appropriate for the level of technology we're seeing out of Charis & co right now. Moreover, I'm guessing it'd be very effective against a large but ill-equipped and poorly-trained army.


I would think once they develop metal cartridges with smokeless power they should move directly to automatic weapons. I would think the Maxim Machine gun might be a good start. Heck, with the way they are developing their ability to stamp out machine parts, it would not be a big jump to an AK-47. A very robust weapon that is cheap to produce and maintain.
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Re: Spoiler Ridden HFQ guesses
Post by McGuiness   » Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:01 pm

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Cyradis4 wrote:<Snip>
Aivah is a sharp cookie, I'm sure just being around Merlin / Ahbraim was enough to make her suspicious, and a bit of detective work, once she was suspicious, is all she'd need. Also I found Merlin's comments about keeping identities straight to be a for-shadowing that he hadn't succeeded there as well as he'd thought. DW is a master at doing such. Her hiding her ability to communicate with her spies, also, could be simply a matter of great skill / Merlin not putting enough effort into it to spot it. Her avoiding the guards to get to his quarters is, however a bit suspicious.
I agree that Aivah could have noted many similarities between Merlin and Ahbraim that went beyond being "Seijins." She is, after all, a master at disguise and reading people after all her years running her high class brothel. Merlin isn't good at hiding who he is, and he's the same person inside as Ahbraim, despite the physical changes and new accent.

The interesting question once she realized Merlin and Ahbraim were the same person and thus obviously had the ability to travel thousands of miles overnight, is why does she want to get to Zion in a day at some point?

Merlin's best option would be to sit down calmly and ask her why she thinks he's Ahbraim. (Have they received messages from him in Siddar City so that Merlin can admit that they both know Ahbraim exists?) I expect she'll point out similarities in their body language and the fact that they are never in the same place at the same time, and Merlin is always absent when Ahbraim is around. She's trying to prove a negative, so she doesn't really have anything more than circumstantial evidence and the similarities between the seijins.

A lot of people are speculating that she may want to go to Zion to kill Clyntahn. That's silly, she could simply request that Merlin go there and shoot him from 1000 yards if she has information that Clyntahn will be leaving the temple. After all, everyone knows that Merlin is the most deadly bodyguard and the best shot on Safehold! Killing Rayno would be more useful.

As for getting into his room, she is a very attractive woman, and she could potentially charm her way past the guards with vague hints that she's about to initiate an affair with Merlin. They'd grin and think "What a lucky guy" as she disappeared into his quarters. If there were a changing of the guard after that, they might not have passed on the information since she'd have asked them to be discreet. So Merlin arrives to find the alliance's spymaster in his quarters, not for romantic purposes, as the guards believed, but for her own purposes.

Of course I could be over thinking this. She could simply have told the guards that Merlin had requested a private meeting with her in her role as spymaster. That would certainly make sense, since a Seijin would know things that the spymaster would also need to know, but nobody else would. People and methods, and a leak could get her spies (and theoretically his) killed.

Merlin can probably bluff his way out of this, but he's always told the truth, and that's a policy of his. So does he trust her enough to bring her into the inner circle knowing that she's part of another organization with its own motives? I'd expect there would have to be a lot of "You tell me about yours and I'll tell you about mine" before Merlin could reach that point. He can truthfully say that seijins can indeed travel much faster than normal mortals when necessary without going into detail, and she is bluffing when she assumes he can take a passenger along. Merlin's processors ought to be able to think much faster than a normal human, so he should realize that she's bluffing and be able to steer the conversation so that he learns a great deal about her organization as a tradeoff to explaining seijin's abilities and limitations. The existence of the inner circle never need come up - but she's probably noticed that Merlin and Cayleb learn things about distant events too quickly.

I was worried when she was made the spymaster, since the more intel she saw, the more pieces of the puzzle she was likely to put together, and now she's nibbling at the greatest secret on Safehold - that we know of! :lol:

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Re: Spoiler Ridden HFQ guesses
Post by McGuiness   » Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:37 pm

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alj_sf wrote:
runsforcelery wrote:About Aivah/Nynian, I will say only this. She was born with the primary capability which has made it so difficult for Merlin to figure out how she communicates with her friends back home in the Temple Lands.
I think RFC is messing up (again) with his readers. :o
He may simply imply that Aivah was born with a (very well) working brain and has devised a clever scheme. Using her charms to get someone hide a code in semaphore messages is a possibility.
That mirrors my thinking - why imagine exotic TF tech when a sharp mind also matches the "hint" that RFC gave us. Her organization may have preceded her and she took the reins from someone else, or it's not as big as we imagine it is.

Remember, she met a lot of influential people while running her high-class brothel, and she can blackmail a large number of them. They may not be particularly willing members of her organization, but they will cooperate and give her a great deal of useful information, which would explain her source(s) inside the Temple.

She had enough employees in her multiple businesses in Zion to have developed a cadre she can direct to perform certain tasks for her there - such as exterminating particularly vile members of the vicarate. Their dedication is extraordinary, but considering what would happen if they were taken alive, it's not surprising that during the assassination attempts that Aivah admitted to, at least one of them committed suicide rather than becoming a guest of the Inquisition.

RFC has explained that she gets her messages from them hidden inside the commodities regularly smuggled to her from Zion. (And the smugglers don't have a clue.) He didn't tell us how she contacts them, although shipping a message inside some items she's having her smugglers deliver to Zion is a distinct possibility. The risk lies in whoever receives the smuggled goods being caught, and in finding the message, then taking the appropriate measures - leaving it at a dead drop or whatever sneaky spy measures she uses. There's no reason to assume she has access to any TF tech at all.

Given the surprises RFC threw at us in LaMA and earlier books though, we can't discount anything at this point. I'm just offering the simplest explanation, because when RFC become helpful it generally means he's trying to misdirect us! :lol:

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Re: Spoiler Ridden HFQ guesses
Post by DrakBibliophile   » Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:28 am

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Ahbraim claimed to be a friend/associate of Merlin.

Later, Merlin acknowledged the "relationship" with Ahbraim.

Note: if you meant something else, forgive me as I haven't had my morning coffee. ;)

McGuiness wrote:
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Merlin's best option would be to sit down calmly and ask her why she thinks he's Ahbraim. (Have they received messages from him in Siddar City so that Merlin can admit that they both know Ahbraim exists?) I expect she'll point out similarities in their body language and the fact that they are never in the same place at the same time, and Merlin is always absent when Ahbraim is around. She's trying to prove a negative, so she doesn't really have anything more than circumstantial evidence and the similarities between the seijins.

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Re: Spoiler Ridden HFQ guesses
Post by RHWoodman   » Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:35 pm

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Okay. At the risk of causing DW to laugh so hard at my wildly wrong speculation that he keels over from a heart attack, I'm going to venture some guesses on what happens in HFQ.

1. The Harchong Army will come across the border into Siddarmark and push the ICA and SRA back (at a high cost to all combatants). One or two major secondary characters will die in combat. Eventually, the Harchong Army will be stopped and pushed back in disorder. The seeds of major rebellion by the Harchong Empire's slaves will be sown and sprouted in this defeat.

2. We will discover that Aivah is working with Duchairn via Major Phandys to overthrow Clyntahn.

3. Aivah has Merlin take her to Zion. Clyntahn is killed. Merlin is destroyed or so badly damaged that he's taken out of the command loop for a long, long time.

4. The Lt. in the Corisandian Guard will get out of the hospital, get drummed out of the Guard, and end up with the Temple Loyalists trying to assassinate Nimue, Hektor, or both. He will end up very, very dead for his troubles.

5. Brother Lynkyn will build a steam engine. Then he discovers electricity. Then builds an electrical generator. Then the OBS destroys him and his monastery. The remaining CoGA faithful take this as a sign that God is on the side of Charis. General mayhem ensues planetwide.

Okay, #5 wasn't so serious. :) The others, though, I think have at least a miniscule chance of being correct. Please feel free to disabuse me of my delusions. :lol:
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Re: Spoiler Ridden HFQ guesses
Post by PeterZ   » Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:06 pm

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RHWoodman wrote:Okay. At the risk of causing DW to laugh so hard at my wildly wrong speculation that he keels over from a heart attack, I'm going to venture some guesses on what happens in HFQ.

1. The Harchong Army will come across the border into Siddarmark and push the ICA and SRA back (at a high cost to all combatants). One or two major secondary characters will die in combat. Eventually, the Harchong Army will be stopped and pushed back in disorder. The seeds of major rebellion by the Harchong Empire's slaves will be sown and sprouted in this defeat.

Not enough time and not enough Ferguson guns. Brother Lynkyn won't be able to build enough guns to arm the AoGatA. There will be too many muzzle loaders in the order of battle.

2. We will discover that Aivah is working with Duchairn via Major Phandys to overthrow Clyntahn.

Obvious

3. Aivah has Merlin take her to Zion. Clyntahn is killed. Merlin is destroyed or so badly damaged that he's taken out of the command loop for a long, long time.

Would be interesting to begin the second story arc with Merlin opening his eyes again. Actually a very appropriate turn of events given some of the original Arthurian legend.

4. The Lt. in the Corisandian Guard will get out of the hospital, get drummed out of the Guard, and end up with the Temple Loyalists trying to assassinate Nimue, Hektor, or both. He will end up very, very dead for his troubles.

That would be very entertaining. Especially, if Irys gets the kill shot after the idiot discounts her.

5. Brother Lynkyn will build a steam engine. Then he discovers electricity. Then builds an electrical generator. Then the OBS destroys him and his monastery. The remaining CoGA faithful take this as a sign that God is on the side of Charis. General mayhem ensues planetwide.

Agreed. Very unlikely.

Okay, #5 wasn't so serious. :) The others, though, I think have at least a miniscule chance of being correct. Please feel free to disabuse me of my delusions. :lol:
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Re: Spoiler Ridden HFQ guesses
Post by RHWoodman   » Tue Feb 25, 2014 7:18 am

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PeterZ wrote:Comments in Blue
RHWoodman wrote:<snip>


Thanks! :)
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