Rediscovery of Technology

Still there are oddities like the Piri Reis map which shows the coastline of Antartica and also all of south america. Please explain if no other civilization existed before or no ancient alien map how that map came into existence and it be Extremely accurate? There are other oddities as well like Mohenjadaro that is still radioactive in places and shows the effect of a high intensity event in the center of the city that fused glass in a 50 yard radius (ala nuke bomb) There is also the matter of a city off the coast of cuba at a depth of 2000 ft under the water that has pyramids and other buildings How it got there and who made it is still unknown. Current guess on it include tetonic action, and plate displacement.

besides people while i am just as skeptical as the next person in the absenbse of hard evidence of many things i do tend to lend credence to things that has some evidence however how circumstantial. How does that old saying go? When you eliminate all the impossible things that have no evidence, what ever left however improbable evidently is true.

viciokie wrote:Still there are oddities like the Piri Reis map which shows the coastline of Antartica and also all of south america. Please explain if no other civilization existed before or no ancient alien map how that map came into existence and it be Extremely accurate? There are other oddities as well like Mohenjadaro that is still radioactive in places and shows the effect of a high intensity event in the center of the city that fused glass in a 50 yard radius (ala nuke bomb) There is also the matter of a city off the coast of cuba at a depth of 2000 ft under the water that has pyramids and other buildings How it got there and who made it is still unknown. Current guess on it include tetonic action, and plate displacement.

All of your "other oddities" are questionable if they are true as claimed.


The map, and it´s not the only one either, however has a multitude of potential explanations.

Simple basic fact: People in Europe and Africa KNEW that there was land to the west.
Even from just what is KNOWN by recorded history, there´s at least half a dozen "people" that travels west over the Atlantic even before the vikings did.
Earliest known IIRC, is an expedition funded by a N. African bigwig in 6th or 7th century.

Fishing boats from Europe occasionally ended up outside the N. American coast.

An Irish monk with a sense of adventure probably went across the puddle as well.

Hazy records suggests the Fenicians may have had a transatlantic trade route.

And so on...

S. America has some archaelogical finds that MAY suggest regular trade with some of the older BIG African kingdoms.

On at least 2 Egyptian mummies, there have been finds of traces of plants that only grows in S. Africa, the researchers thinks it´s a case of contaminated samples, but one of them at least they were completely unable to locate who did it and how it was supposed to have happened. In the other case the suggested vector of contamination was convoluted at best.

Right now their argument is most of all that since it´s not possible for the result to be real, it can´t be...

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viciokie wrote:Still there are oddities like the Piri Reis map which shows the coastline of Antartica and also all of south america. Please explain if no other civilization existed before or no ancient alien map how that map came into existence and it be Extremely accurate? There are other oddities as well like Mohenjadaro that is still radioactive in places and shows the effect of a high intensity event in the center of the city that fused glass in a 50 yard radius (ala nuke bomb) There is also the matter of a city off the coast of cuba at a depth of 2000 ft under the water that has pyramids and other buildings How it got there and who made it is still unknown. Current guess on it include tetonic action, and plate displacement.

All of your "other oddities" are questionable if they are true as claimed.


The map, and it´s not the only one either, however has a multitude of potential explanations.

Simple basic fact: People in Europe and Africa KNEW that there was land to the west.
Even from just what is KNOWN by recorded history, there´s at least half a dozen "people" that travels west over the Atlantic even before the vikings did.
Earliest known IIRC, is an expedition funded by a N. African bigwig in 6th or 7th century.

Fishing boats from Europe occasionally ended up outside the N. American coast.

An Irish monk with a sense of adventure probably went across the puddle as well.

Hazy records suggests the Fenicians may have had a transatlantic trade route.

And so on...

S. America has some archaelogical finds that MAY suggest regular trade with some of the older BIG African kingdoms.

On at least 2 Egyptian mummies, there have been finds of traces of plants that only grows in S. Africa, the researchers thinks it´s a case of contaminated samples, but one of them at least they were completely unable to locate who did it and how it was supposed to have happened. In the other case the suggested vector of contamination was convoluted at best.

Right now their argument is most of all that since it´s not possible for the result to be real, it can´t be...

Oh i agree with you there, acceptable archaeology as given by all the stuffed shirts say none of what is discussed here was possible yet all evidence points to a solution that will have to be accepted at some time. Also in south america there has been found pottery with proto sumerican cunieform writing. ( which "acepted" achaeology says is flatly impossible) . but my statement earlier when all things are considered and there is still evidence however hard to accept but it is still there , it has to be accepted as real.

The problem with oddities like that is there isn't enough "repeatable" evidence in the form of other artifacts, records etc. to help explain these finds or put them into context. While it would be exciting to think that there were globe spanning empires run from ancient Crete or whatever the flavour of the month is, there simply isn't enough evidence to really put these findings into context.

Since you are trying to fit one or two data points into the "bigger picture", the chances of connecting the dots to the right dots in the known historical record are pretty slim. Making the problem even harder is the farther back you go in time, the fewer dots exist, and some of the linkages between them might be wrong as well....

I am pretty confident that our ancestors were as smart and motivated as we are, and would probably be driven by much the same motivations as we are today. If this was not true, then sciences like archeology, anthropology, economics and history would simply not be possible.

Thucydides wrote:The problem with oddities like that is there isn't enough "repeatable" evidence in the form of other artifacts, records etc. to help explain these finds or put them into context. While it would be exciting to think that there were globe spanning empires run from ancient Crete or whatever the flavour of the month is, there simply isn't enough evidence to really put these findings into context.

Since you are trying to fit one or two data points into the "bigger picture", the chances of connecting the dots to the right dots in the known historical record are pretty slim. Making the problem even harder is the farther back you go in time, the fewer dots exist, and some of the linkages between them might be wrong as well....

I am pretty confident that our ancestors were as smart and motivated as we are, and would probably be driven by much the same motivations as we are today. If this was not true, then sciences like archeology, anthropology, economics and history would simply not be possible.

There are other things to consider as well when it comes to the missing dots. Sometimes the people in power erased those linkages because it was not expedient to them at the time. There is also some of the most shameful actions in history taking place with the burning of the Alexandria library, the chinese book burning by their first emporer and other around the world. By no means is the various religions free from this "sin" as well.

Of course, sometimes it's fun to look at things from the other side - what our "present day" might look like through the distorting lens of misinterpreted fragmentary data in the far future.

Just imagine what some future academics might think of the state of Maine if all they had to go on was Stephen King novels and the show "Murder, She Wrote"...

The last few points, make it difficult to argue against because so few data points exist. They do exist but nothing can be proven to be put in a theory form. Now, it can argued for or against, and alternative hypothesis(s) suggested but nothing concrete can be proven to be in theory form. My view is that cultures/technologies rise and fall in cyclical fashion that environmental/religious/diplomatic/political/climate conditions are factors in the rise and the fall of cultures and empires. The higher the technology equals more specialization of human beings. This higher specialization is major factor in the fall of higher technological societies because they are unable to cope with disruptions within the society due to fast changing conditions.

http://www.joshpachter.com/pages/weans.pdf

My high school history teacher handed this out to the class near the start of the year, back in the day.

Thucydides wrote:The problem with oddities like that is there isn't enough "repeatable" evidence in the form of other artifacts, records etc. to help explain these finds or put them into context.

And there never will be. Regardless if "it" is for real or not.

jchilds wrote:Of course, sometimes it's fun to look at things from the other side - what our "present day" might look like through the distorting lens of misinterpreted fragmentary data in the far future.

Just imagine what some future academics might think of the state of Maine if all they had to go on was Stephen King novels and the show "Murder, She Wrote"...

http://www.joshpachter.com/pages/weans.pdf

My high school history teacher handed this out to the class near the start of the year, back in the day.

Ooh, good one.

And considering how things last over time(and doesn´t last), not nearly as "ridiculous" as it might look at first.