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Rediscovery of Technology
Post by smr   » Mon Feb 03, 2014 2:13 am

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200,000 ton rock used as a base stone. (The stone is found in Ecuador.) How did they move that size of rock thousands of years ago? The only explanation without going ET is they had technology. Tesla credited the bible with giving him ideas for future (current for us) technology. I just give one example, the world has gone from horse drawn implements to airplanes, computers, and space travel in a hundred years. What did the pre-flood civilization have? Let us hope we can do better than our ancient ancestors did.

The problem is we don't want to violate our science or our religion views. I blame creationism and evolution theories for getting in the way of solving these problems. I am recommending for anyone who wants to push their understanding human history to read Dead Men's Secrets by Jonathan Gray (2004).

*sorry I meant to put this in the Free range topic! By the way, I say this as a born again Christian.
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Re: Rediscovery of Technology
Post by The E   » Mon Feb 03, 2014 4:01 am

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Yeah.

Uh-huh.

Sure.

Pre-flood civilizations with greater technological capabilities than we today posess.

Right.

Point 1: There is no conclusive evidence that the flood as described in the bible ever happened, let alone was a global catastrophe.
Point 2: Science is built around challenging the status quo. The only people who seem to think otherwise seem to be those whose theories have been rejected on grounds of being unfit for purpose (see also: this presentation on crank science).
Point 3: That book you mentioned? It's bullshit. It's the tired old Erich von Däniken "I can't explain how this happened, so it MUST have been Aliens/High Tech/Atlantians/Lemurians/Gods" stuff. Does he claim anywhere that "none of this can be explained by science"? Because that's a sure sign of it being a crank theory.
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Re: Rediscovery of Technology
Post by JohnRoth   » Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:22 am

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smr wrote:*sorry I meant to put this in the Free range topic! By the way, I say this as a born again Christian.


Well, then, start a topic down there if you want to discuss it, although I suspect the number of people who usually post to this forum who think the flood story in Genesis should be taken literally is very, very small. I also think you'll find that moving that 200Kton rock is a fable - it didn't happen.

There were a lot of really big rocks moved by one ancient civilization or another, but "really big" was below the several dozen ton range, if that. Stonehenge, Ancient Egypt, the Peruvian Incas, Easter Island come to mind, and I'm sure there are other examples. None of them are all that difficult to figure out how they did it with pulleys, rollers, levers and a few dozen years of work by lots of people to figure out the tricks of the trade.
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Re: Rediscovery of Technology
Post by umbrarchist   » Mon Feb 03, 2014 2:05 pm

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I think a lot people who regard themselves as intelligent and knowledgeable do no like admitting, "I Don't Know."

Megalithic structures exist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtmKaF8FFn8

Who built them and how and when are just unknown AT THIS TIME.

Because we don't know does not mean the weird theories are true but "conventional" explanations that have holes in them that you can sail an aircraft carrier through get accepted by some people because it gives them a warm and fuzzy feeling.

If you don't know then you don't know, that is all there is to it.
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Re: Rediscovery of Technology
Post by Emo Otaku   » Tue Feb 04, 2014 6:15 am

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Its my personal belief that the pyramids were constructed by aliens who time travelled from the future, Kidnapped Elvis on their way past and employed him as a foreman and deliberately left NO evidence of their existence just to mess with us.

OR

The most advanced civilisation in the ancient world used some fairly basic geometry, engineering and a s**t-load of slaves to build some of the most impressive and longest lasting monuments to the dead in human history.

Oh and yes the answer is 42
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Re: Rediscovery of Technology
Post by Daryl   » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:35 am

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Fully agree except that instead of slaves, a theory was that the pharaohs stockpiled food in their granaries and invited starving unemployed people to work for food in the down times. Much more efficient than slaves.
The same level of scientific rigor is applied in analysis of previous possible civilisations, as in climate change denial, or negative effects of smoking.
Sorry, but we are actually living in the golden age of giants now, if civilisation persists then it will be renamed as the initial golden age.

Emo Otaku wrote:Its my personal belief that the pyramids were constructed by aliens who time travelled from the future, Kidnapped Elvis on their way past and employed him as a foreman and deliberately left NO evidence of their existence just to mess with us.

OR

The most advanced civilisation in the ancient world used some fairly basic geometry, engineering and a s**t-load of slaves to build some of the most impressive and longest lasting monuments to the dead in human history.

Oh and yes the answer is 42
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Re: Rediscovery of Technology
Post by viciokie   » Tue Feb 04, 2014 3:57 pm

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Here is a conyndrum for you people to consider. In Chile south america fame there is a city that was found in the Atacama desert. Archeologists are currently excavationg it but it is unknown at this time when it was built. Things found in this city irrigation canals, regular layout on fields, and at its height had a capacity of around 30,000 inhabitants. Who built it and more inpoortantly WHEN?
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Re: Rediscovery of Technology
Post by biochem   » Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:40 pm

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Here is a conyndrum for you people to consider. In Chile south america fame there is a city that was found in the Atacama desert. Archeologists are currently excavationg it but it is unknown at this time when it was built. Things found in this city irrigation canals, regular layout on fields, and at its height had a capacity of around 30,000 inhabitants. Who built it and more inpoortantly WHEN?


It's always fun learning about ancient civilizations. It sounds like there are some very interesting questions here that will keep archeologists busy for years!

Eons ago I read a book (so long ago I don't remember the title) in which there was a technology which although it didn't allow time travel, it did allow people to look back into time and observe what happened in the past. It would be very interesting to use such a hypothetical technology to investigate things such as the above. But part of me always wondered if being able to find out the answers so easily would take the fun out of it.
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Re: Rediscovery of Technology
Post by Tenshinai   » Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:26 pm

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Emo Otaku wrote:...

The most advanced civilisation in the ancient world used some fairly basic geometry, engineering and a s**t-load of slaves to build some of the most impressive and longest lasting monuments to the dead in human history.

Oh and yes the answer is 42


Actually, as far as anyone knows, pyramids were not built by slaves. Probably not getting well paid, but it wasn´t a slave labour thing.


And 48 i might believe, but 42? Nope.


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SMR wrote:What did the pre-flood civilization have?

:roll:
If you assume religious dogma as facts, then you have no interest in learning about real history anyway.

And which flood exactly? There´s been quite a number of major floodings happening in the last 20000 years, biggest one probably 12k years ago with lots of ice melting and drowning a bunch of areas that have stayed under water since then. Like west of Europe for example.

The only explanation without going ET is they had technology.

Really? Well that depends on wether you´re talking about "technology" in the modern sense, or in a more historically accurate generalised sense.
The wheel is a technology, just as a hammer is or a winch is. But few would call it that today.


200,000 ton rock used as a base stone. (The stone is found in Ecuador.) How did they move that size of rock thousands of years ago?

Veeeerrryy very slowly? :mrgreen:

Well there are people who has seriously been investigating this stuff, only solution i can recall right now was sound.

They even managed to replicate lifting a rock a few tons heavy with sound, using modern sound systems and not doing such a great job of it, but the theory was still proven sound... ( great pun wasn´t it? :twisted: )

And computer simulations said it should be possible to figure out how to use it to lift almost any weight with it.

There´s also some notes from one of Sven Hedin´s travels, and he may have been a bit of a racist prick and prone to talking big, but he wasn´t unreliable(the width of a river might be described as 10-20% extra large but it would be where and like he said it was), and he found someplace in southern Asia (Nepal IIRC) where he noted with interest that the locals used drumming and voices combined to make stones for building material "jump" up the side of a cliff to where their village was.

The story could easily be a snafu of some sort, but there´s no actual reason beyond instituitional disbelief to assume it is.

Which would mean the method has been figured out both in theory and practise as well as found to have appeared at least once during history.

And plenty more wild ideas from the people that figured that one out. From what i´ve read, most ideas does potentially work, the big question being wether it´s plausible for someone a few thousands years ago to figure it out and then be able to make it work reliably enough to use it.

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There were a lot of really big rocks moved by one ancient civilization or another, but "really big" was below the several dozen ton range, if that. Stonehenge, Ancient Egypt, the Peruvian Incas, Easter Island come to mind, and I'm sure there are other examples. None of them are all that difficult to figure out how they did it with pulleys, rollers, levers and a few dozen years of work by lots of people to figure out the tricks of the trade.

Several dozen tons? :lol:
Shows what you know.

Try a 350 ton, 30m high, single piece stone obelisk, carved in Assuan, eventually placed in front of Amon Ra´s temple, after being transported on the Nile on a ship made for this alone. A single ship carrying two of those obelisks. As commanded by queen Hatshepsut.

The official who handled Thotmes Is half as heavy obelisks had it fully written down.
And that´s still almost 200 ton each.
On a 63 by 21m ship, also built specifically for this one "job".

The above are well known, as there are surviving records. Not a normal thing.

I also think you'll find that moving that 200Kton rock is a fable - it didn't happen.

Lots of things that have been considered impossible fables, up until it was proven real.

Historical levels of literacy for example, up until a few decades ago, everyone "knew" that illiteracy was the all-prevailing norm.
Then there was a find in what was the USSR, of the pre-medieval equivalent of post-it notes on bark. Which of course was promptly ignored as a hoax thanks to the cold war.

Up until a similar find was made here in Sweden, thanks to someone who knew of the Soviet find being careful about what to look for.

And using a simple version of runes, the bark pieces found had pretty much everything you could ask for, from notes on game scores, via a love letter, via a shopping list, jokes, contracts, notes on ship design, advertisment etc etc...

At least some notes had been written by children, some by thralls or even slaves, all had extremely varied originators, and they could all apparently write well enough for this to be a normal way of communication.
10 or 11th century, maaaybe 9th.
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Re: Rediscovery of Technology
Post by smr   » Sun Feb 09, 2014 2:40 am

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Egypt use to make runs into Nubia and raid the kingdom for males slaves for the Army and to build the pyramids. The trick was the pharaoh was harsh and tough on these individuals during training but he also rewarded or/and payed them well. Basically, he bought, fed, and cared for these individuals better than they had ever been cared for after they survived basic training so to speak.

The other day was watching a documentary about Egypt. This Egyptian trained archaeologist explained they built the pyramids for a number of reasons: 2 pyramids built to house 2 different pharaohs; several were built as power-plants; and many others were built to heal individuals using sound frequency technology. He explained between the old and new kingdoms that Egypt went through a 200 year climate change. The spring rains quit falling in Ethiopia. The Nile quit flooding and agriculture took an extreme hit. The result was famine, starvation, and internal war. Much of their technology was lost during these years.

Now, for explanation on how they could move the rock is sound technology. In the present day, we can move objects through the air on sound waves in the lab. Lets extrapolate this technology to a 100 years in the future. Its' very possible that our ancestors had developed a sound based technology that could move a 200,000 ton rock. Combine that with broadcasting energy through the air or ground using the pyramids.

The history channel has a show of future Earth without Man on it. The gist of the show is that most of man's cities would be destroyed because the buildings, streets, and roads have to be maintained. The normal weathering and oxidation processes would break down the plastics and metals. Combine this with normal catastrophes of hurricanes, severe thunderstorms, flooding, avalanches due to snow or rain, tornadoes, earthquakes, and volcanoes. Very few societies remains would have existed after a couple hundred years of exposure to the environment.

The Indian Vamas speak of flying vehicles. In the bible, it talks about King David went to Ethiopia in a matter of hours. I don't think God or the Angels moved him. Maybe, they had air power of some type. A Zeppelin or an airplane could have been the culprit. Consider that maybe I history has been suppressed by the powers that run the planet. As one person put it, ignore our dogmas and predispositions to look at a topic, book, or suppositions with an open mind. The facts are that as we become more technologically developed our civilization become more fragile. If we have a world wide collapse, could you grow your own food? Do you know the best time to plant? Do you know how to hunt or fish? How do you make clothes? Our present day ancestors of America did! I don't how to feed myself consistently for a long period without going to the store. I know...I goggle it. Opps, no power means no access to the databases.

Go read the accounts of Noah and then talk to the geneticists of our past. We came from 6 women. All humans can trace their ancestors to 6 different woman. Did you read the account of Noah? Hmm, interesting how science backs up the bible. Maybe our legends are the truth in some basis.


Daryl wrote:Fully agree except that instead of slaves, a theory was that the pharaohs stockpiled food in their granaries and invited starving unemployed people to work for food in the down times. Much more efficient than slaves.
The same level of scientific rigor is applied in analysis of previous possible civilizations, as in climate change denial, or negative effects of smoking.
Sorry, but we are actually living in the golden age of giants now, if civilisation persists then it will be renamed as the initial golden age.

Emo Otaku wrote:Its my personal belief that the pyramids were constructed by aliens who time travelled from the future, Kidnapped Elvis on their way past and employed him as a foreman and deliberately left NO evidence of their existence just to mess with us.

OR

The most advanced civilisation in the ancient world used some fairly basic geometry, engineering and a s**t-load of slaves to build some of the most impressive and longest lasting monuments to the dead in human history.

Oh and yes the answer is 42
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