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Re: Honorverse favorite one-liners
Post by saber964   » Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:42 pm

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KNick wrote:
munroburton wrote:That's what I thought too - as of SoF's end, Commander Kaplan, Lt. Commander Tallman, Lieutenants Fonzarelli and O'Reilly are senior to Abigail. She is the fifth ranking officer and depending whether the XO has a backup bridge to be manning, third or fourth on the Bridge during GQ.


Which brings up the question of restricted and unrestricted line officers. In some navies an engineering officer such as Fonzarelli would not be eligible to take command of the ship until he was the last officer left. (This is the restricted line version.) In others, he would assume command as soon as he was the senior officer (unrestricted line version). I do not recall ever seeing a discussion of which version applies to the RMN. Does anyone else?


No the question of the difference of a restricted and unrestricted is what type of officer.

A restricted officer is an officer who is serving in non-combat arm like a JAG officer or a supply officer they absolutely can not take command because they have little if any training in things like ship handling and navigation.

A unrestricted officer will move between various fields to keep current until the officer reaches command level so that the officer has a general knowledge of all ships major systems. As a junior officer an officer may move from navigation to engineering to tactical to communications back to tactical until the officer in question shows aptitude in a particular area and be locked into that field. A good example would be Ginger Lewis, she will never command a warship, but if she does get command it will be a an auxiliary like a repair ship or depot ship.
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Re: Honorverse favorite one-liners
Post by glott   » Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:04 am

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saber964 wrote:
Which brings up the question of restricted and unrestricted line officers. In some navies an engineering officer such as Fonzarelli would not be eligible to take command of the ship until he was the last officer left. (This is the restricted line version.) In others, he would assume command as soon as he was the senior officer (unrestricted line version). I do not recall ever seeing a discussion of which version applies to the RMN. Does anyone else?


No the question of the difference of a restricted and unrestricted is what type of officer.

A restricted officer is an officer who is serving in non-combat arm like a JAG officer or a supply officer they absolutely can not take command because they have little if any training in things like ship handling and navigation.

A unrestricted officer will move between various fields to keep current until the officer reaches command level so that the officer has a general knowledge of all ships major systems. As a junior officer an officer may move from navigation to engineering to tactical to communications back to tactical until the officer in question shows aptitude in a particular area and be locked into that field. A good example would be Ginger Lewis, she will never command a warship, but if she does get command it will be a an auxiliary like a repair ship or depot ship.[/quote]

I don't know the exact differences between restricted and unrestricted officers either in the Honorverse or RL, but if you are bringing up Ginger Lewis as an example, she could have wound up in command of a warship, IMHO. Remember in TSoS she was the acting XO of the HMS Hexapuma twice. Once when Ansten FitzGerald went off on the Copenhagen to scout the Monica System and again after the Battle of Monica when FitzGerald was too badly injured to be on duty. So if Aivars Terekhov had been incapacitated on either of these occasions Ginger would have been in command. Of course, that doesn't mean she would ever be assigned to command a warship by BuPers.
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Re: Honorverse favorite one-liners
Post by Uroboros   » Sun Feb 02, 2014 2:25 am

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I think Ginger is a bad example. I think she'd do quite well as a warship captain, given some of her past examples of ingenuity. I think she's got a mind for tactics, even if she comes from the Engineering track.

In fact, given her promotion to Captain (JG) and her posting to the WDB, I'd say she could be in the works for her own ship. The tactical track isn't solely reserved for command, after all.
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Re: Honorverse favorite one-liners
Post by pushmar   » Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:25 am

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Not a character quote, but I like David Weber's style, and phrasing.

She felt ... empty. Emptier than the wind, or space itself, sucked clean by the silent undertow of entropy.

-Field of Dishonor
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Re: Honorverse favorite one-liners
Post by waddles for desert   » Sun Feb 02, 2014 1:41 pm

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Bill Woods wrote:Be careful what you wish for. The fastest way to give her a(n acting) command is for Weber to bump off the two or three officers above her.

In a rapidly expanding navy, superiors may also be bumped up, bumped out or bumped over.

A division may become the nucleus of a new squadron and people will be bumped up.

A new squadron will form and people will be bumped out to build the new squadron.

After a squadron's people are bumped out, people within the squadron will be bumped over and bumped up to fill the gaps.

And, their will be need for liaison officers with liberated systems.

There should be opportunities aplenty for all of our favorites including an intensely groomed flag lieutenant as well as as the Grayson lady Marine.
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Re: Honorverse favorite one-liners
Post by BrightSoul   » Sun Feb 02, 2014 2:50 pm

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For the Hanky brigade:
House of Steel wrote:
Elizabeth descended the final three steps to the polished marble floor. Father O’Banion waited silently at the head of those steps, by the antique-looking grill whose door he had unlocked to allow her entrance. The bars of that grill looked like wrought iron, but they were actually battle steel, not that it mattered. Not now, at this moment.
She crossed the private family crypt silently, Ariel very still on her shoulder, and stopped before the carved marble plaque. It was very simple, that plaque, compared to the far more ornate one set into the cathedral floor above it:

Roger Michael Danton Maxwell Winton
August 19, 1809–October 7, 1883 PD
Beloved husband and father, who reigned too briefly
in this city and reigns forever in our hearts.
“I will build my house of steel.”

Elizabeth stood before that plaque, looking at it, thinking about the seventy T-years between her father’s first letter to the Proceedings and this moment. Thinking about her uncle, who hadn’t lived to see this day yet had known it was coming. Thinking about all the sacrifices, all the pain, all the destruction and lost lives and shattered hearts. Thinking about how many had given so much to bring her here, to this place, on this still, quiet night.
Feeling the tears break loose.
They fell into the silence like lost, broken bits of crystal, those tears, kissing that marble floor. And then, finally, she reached out and touched the words. Let her fingertips run gently, tenderly across them, and leaned forward, resting her forehead against the cool, unyielding stone while Ariel crooned lovingly in her ear.
“We got them, Dad,” she whispered into the stillness. “We got them.”
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Re: Honorverse favorite one-liners
Post by bunyipbelle   » Sun Feb 02, 2014 11:06 pm

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"'Dreams of Peace?'" she said,speaking very carefully,as if she couldn't quite believe what she heard herself saying ."That's his treecat name?"

Honor talking to Nimitz about Tom Theisman's treecat name in Mission of Honor.
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Re: Honorverse favorite one-liners
Post by roseandheather   » Sun Feb 02, 2014 11:55 pm

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bunyipbelle wrote:"'Dreams of Peace?'" she said,speaking very carefully,as if she couldn't quite believe what she heard herself saying ."That's his treecat name?"

Honor talking to Nimitz about Tom Theisman's treecat name in Mission of Honor.


The noises I made at that moment were not human.

Because of course that would be his treecat name. Of course it would.

And Eloise's as well - "Truth Seeker" indeed! She never stopped looking, no matter what - and oh good God did it ever pay in the end.
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Re: Honorverse favorite one-liners
Post by bunyipbelle   » Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:29 am

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" I never thought I'd say this about anyone, but compared to quiet a few of the Sollies' most senior officers, Edward Janacek was competent, farsighted and thoughtful"

White Haven said this to Elizabeth Winton in Mission of Honor.
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Re: Honorverse favorite one-liners
Post by NortonIDaughter   » Mon Feb 03, 2014 3:07 am

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Speaking of Tom:

On being called a coward: "Absolutely," he agreed instantly. "It's a survival trait."
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