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by pokermind » Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:04 am | |
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Ah the Detweilers
Art by Genkis from a French cover of Honorverse novels but my idea on the wanted poster. Poker CPO Poker Mind and, Mangy Fur the Smart Alick Spacecat.
"Better to be hung for a hexapuma than a housecat," Com. Pang Yau-pau, ART. |
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by namelessfly » Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:36 pm | |
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There was no chance that the RMN was going to nuke Nouveau Paris. White Haven would have compelled the RHN to surrender. Once the RMN had deprived the Committee for Public Safety and it's State Security Goons of control of the orbitals, people would have revolted.
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by namelessfly » Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:45 pm | |
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I have to mention Admiral Crandalll.
She knew that Adm Bing got himself and his crew killed because he had screwed up but insisted on escalating to the largest battle outside the Haven Quadrant to occur in centuries or may be even ever. Admiral Crandall also had unspecified but too easily imagined, abusive sexual habits that had allowed theMesans to blackmail her. |
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by Werrf » Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:49 pm | |
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I don't think he's been mentioned yet, so - Edmund Marchant. Anyone who can rejoice at the murder of children is unfit to share the same gene pool as me.
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by Uroboros » Sun Jan 26, 2014 1:30 pm | |
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Denver Summervale. The man felt nothing. He was like a micro-nuke everywhere he went. He started off the series for us by blowing up about fifty people, and then sacrificed members of his own crew to get away. He's probably the closest thing Honorverse has to a true serial killer.
Everyone mentioned so far, at least is recognizable in some fashion as human. Denver? Not as much. |
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by cthia » Sun Jan 26, 2014 2:05 pm | |
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Yea, they have a gene pool all of their own don't they? Summerville I think had seep psycholigical probs. Edward Marchant and the killing of those kids broke my heart. And it crushed that engineer. I have to mention Dr. Lois Suchon. Great admirals don't make wars great, bad admirals make great admirals' wars great. -cthia Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble. —cthia's father. Incident in ? Axiom of Common Sense |
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by Direwolf18 » Sun Jan 26, 2014 3:32 pm | |
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Its interesting I don't actually despise the Detweilers. They actually seem like fairly likeable people in a personal aspect. I think what makes them real bad guys is they are so insolated, its like they are having people in a computer game killed. Its just not real to them. I find people like the Mandarins, or Cordellia Ransom far more reprehensible. Cordellia Ransom actually would bathe in peoples blood. The Mandarins are willing the sign off the enslavement of BILLIONS and BILLIONS. The SLN is by far the greatest evil in the galaxy. Well for now. |
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by BrightSoul » Sun Jan 26, 2014 3:40 pm | |
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For all the great suggestions I can't believe you folks are missing the worst in my books.
The Mandarins are by far the most despicable creatures in the entire Honorverse. Detweiler is a megalomaniac and evil by most definitions of the word but you can see, if not agree with, his motivation. St. Just and Pierre both had redeeming characteristics, few in the case of Oscar but they were there. Summervale, bad reasons but reasons none the less. Of all the creatures who've been trotted out in the series only Kolokoltsov, McCartney, Quartermain, Abbuzi end their puppets in the League have zero redeeming features. They can see what is coming but lack the moral fiber to do what is needed to turn the situation around. All they are concerned with is preserving a powerbase and system that is collapsing, even though they know they can't. Bandaids to the left and to the right but no real cure. Now they're planning something with Beowulf... and Albrecht is getting away... grrrrr! |
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by Werrf » Sun Jan 26, 2014 3:47 pm | |
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They were one of my candidates, but their essential, utter cluelessness makes it difficult to truly hate them. They frustrate me, anger me, but my biggest emotion for them is scorn and disgust, rather than hate. |
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by cthia » Sun Jan 26, 2014 4:46 pm | |
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BrightSoul,
I agree with your analogy. And certainly the entire lot of them resoundingly lack any semblance of humanity. But I think for me it reduces down to this. Their irreprehensibility is global. That is by far no better attribute, no. But it makes it a little...less personal somehow. To me at least. They fit in the run of the mill megalomaniacal would be rulers of the entire world. The God-like complex that has driven so many before in history and so many after. And they perceive a method to their madness and insanity. We see it for what it really is. Madness. Insanity. But they truly cannot see it. People like that truly think that their actions are truly altruistic. It is psychologically devastating for them to find it is not...when reality slaps them in the face. Example: Adolf Hitler and his master race during the Olympics. Hitler truly lived, breathed and believed the propoganda. He wasn't prepared for the humiliating defeat handed him by Jesse Owens. My point I guess, is for me there is a significant difference between someone whom begets hatred because of a psychological impairment/imbalance than those whom beget hatred out of raw mean-ness. Note that that is not the same as saying either is less dangerous, just less...personal. Great admirals don't make wars great, bad admirals make great admirals' wars great. -cthia Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble. —cthia's father. Incident in ? Axiom of Common Sense |
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