Ranting about Microsoft and Tech Support in India

Tenshinai wrote:

Relax wrote:
I have approx 10 computers 5 of which all have different SSDs, motherboards running XP in the office at the moment. The other 5 are identical. We did it for the speed as we all got tired of waiting and listening to the stupid drives whine. Clearly demonstrating your claim is patently absurd. Just one of those "claims" floating around the internet that has no concrete basis in reality.

How many average users knows that you should turn off prefetch?
That you should turn off or place the swapfile elsewhere?
That having system restore on is a bad thing with XP+SSD?
How to change the location of the temporary files folder?
How to relocate the system event log?
Disable last access time stamps?
That the partitions should run NTFS with 4kB blocks?

SNIP:

Swapfile, timestamps, event log, system restore and to a lesser degree temp files may drastically reduce the lifespan of the SSD.

MINE : SNIP, duh, same is true of "normal HD's.

And that depends on usage pattern,

SNIP

Or maybe you´re just sadistic enough to tell an average user that "it works just fine from the start, just use it like you would a HDD"?

See, this is why i always recommend against voltage tweaking when people overclock, because otherwise it´s at least partially MY fault if they burn something out.

Guess you don´t mind people wasting their money?

Everything I SNIPPED is based entirely on the controller in question. Of which you either are clueless about or conveniently ignored to argue in your favor. Everything left, is utterly red herring moronacy which at best equates to speed of the whole system overall. Problem is everything you posted has nothing to do with the actual SSD volume shrinking.

Lets go through your 1st paragraph. It would appear you have never done SSD with XP and simply copied those points straight from a Microsoft website somewhere that you spent a whole lot of time searching for. Of course they are all about SSD speed and not Volume...

1)Prefetch doesn't matter. None of my comps have it turned off, never heard of it, it clearly doesn't matter after 5+ years of continuous use. Did a quick google search. I was right, it doesn't matter, all it does is slow down comp a tiny bit and has no bearing on SSD performance long term.

2) Same thing goes for swap file. Has no bearing on SSD's lifetime performance at all. All you did was copy a red herring out of thin air again!

3) Having system restore on under any scenario is down right stupid. Everyone knows that and it isn't limited to SSD. Backup your restore to a secure location the one time you do do it You NEVER leave this function on. NEVER. All it does is slow down your machine. In either case it once again has NO bearing on SSD functionality volume shrinkage.

4) Temp files do not need to be moved. None of my SSD's have it moved. And I have not had smaller SSD's space volume except those first 5 SSD's with crappy controllers. The other 5 are no different than the day I installed them for volume.

5) Event log doesn't need to be moved, makes no difference. None of my SSD's have it moved and it hasn't effected volume.

6) Last access same thing.

7) Partition is beyond absurd to NTFS. All this means is that when one originally formats, you lose HD space. This has no bearing on the actual functionality of the SSD in the long term. Of which you know perfectly well. If you do not then you are even more ignorant than I thought.

In short you threw a bunch of mud on the wall and hoped some of it would stick. That which did stick shows your utter ignorance of the mud type you flung.

It is entirely based on the memory controller of the SSD in question. 100%. Just as it is on a magnetic hard drive! An OS, just uses parts of its memory. Stating otherwise is beyond hopelessly ignorant on how a computer functions on a base level. You might have noticed that all modern SSD's all upgraded their controllers and now have no functionality problems even running on XP.

Ai, caramba dude, stick to what you actually know, military history. Computers, well lets just say, you don't know Shit. Or you do, but chose to act like an ignorant bimbo by changing the subject from SSD lifetime volume, to SSD speed.

PS. Voltage tweaking is no less unsafe than running up the Mhz. They both produce extra heat, which can burn it out if your cooling is insufficient. Saying otherwise demonstrates your ignorance once again. One form of extra heat is the same as the other form of extra heat. If you go voltage tweaking too low, then you won't burn it out, rather the system becomes unstable. No big deal, reset and boost the voltage a bit.

Just don't defray your SSD's and you will be fine.

No need for anything fancy.

If you do put big HDD in a system just turn on the large format file system and you don't need partitions. I recently had a 10TB raid5 array setup on my previous system. 6x2TB drives is very fast, even with slow drives. Sandra tested to be the 1453rd fastest array in the world.

KNick wrote:
This line was uncalled for. Everything up to this point was a great post. Now all I will remember about it is that you took a cheap shot a someone else.

A very expensive shot more likely. Well deserved after talking about "patently absurd", when i just mentioned a well known and accepted truth. A truth which if ignored will literally make you waste money, as the SSD WILL break earlier than it otherwise would have.

And now i see he´s managing to do even worse in his next post... Oh boy...

Relax wrote:PS. Voltage tweaking is no less unsafe than running up the Mhz. They both produce extra heat, which can burn it out if your cooling is insufficient. Saying otherwise demonstrates your ignorance once again. One form of extra heat is the same as the other form of extra heat. If you go voltage tweaking too low, then you won't burn it out, rather the system becomes unstable. No big deal, reset and boost the voltage a bit.

Oh man that is just soooo hilarious. You shout "ignorant" at me while proving your own!


Maybe you should start with some basic education? Online, how about just googling "Sudden Northwood Death Syndrome"?
A most excellent example of a cpu that was great for overclocking, except for that even small amounts of overvolting could kill it far too soon.

And guess why that is? Because HEAT isn´t the only limit for overclocking!

Northwood just happened to be the first cpu where electron migration and material degradation became an obvious problem due to the die shrink.

You´re a dangerous and incompetent amateur.

And since you don´t even know THAT part of the basics i guess you need to be told that raising clockspeed increases heat linearly, while raising voltage increases heat exponentially.

And no matter how good your cooling is, no matter if the temperature is even below freezing, if you use too much voltage, you DAMAGE the chip.

So the idiocy about "no less unsafe" is exactly that, idiocy.

Relax wrote:Lets go through your 1st paragraph. It would appear you have never done SSD with XP and simply copied those points straight from a Microsoft website somewhere that you spent a whole lot of time searching for. Of course they are all about SSD speed and not Volume...

No, they´re about LIFESPAN. The setting changes are done to prevent useless and needless writes to the SSD, because every write reduces lifespan, unlike with a HDD, which has a lifespan that is much harder to predict, but where constant small writes like this doesn´t matter at all, in fact, rewriting something on a HDD reinforces the magnetic imprint on the platter, which is good.

Relax wrote:7) Partition is beyond absurd to NTFS. All this means is that when one originally formats, you lose HD space. This has no bearing on the actual functionality of the SSD in the long term. Of which you know perfectly well. If you do not then you are even more ignorant than I thought.

Yeah because SSD memory cell size isn´t fixed and Windows XP doesn´t by default format sectors to overlap cells, right? Show off what a lamer you are, just keep digging your grave deeper please!

If you go much deeper you´re going to need serious drilling equipment soon.

Why don´t you go register on 5 random hardware forums and ask there.
Me, i´ve been a member on maybe 30-40 hardware forums for about 15 years.

I build my own computers. And others. And repair them and service them.

My previous system used 2 Athlon XPs handmodded to Athlon MPs.

I worked as computer tech support the FIRST time in 1991.


Main reason i´m replying to you now is because i don´t want anyone to follow your delusions and kill their computer for no reason.

I said boosting voltage was no more unsafe than boosting MHz. Now the english language may be your 2nd language in which case I will give you a pass. Those that actually speak the language fluently, know that bolded part, 'no more', to mean that I was stating boosting voltage and MHz to be no more problematic. Now if you wish to bitch and complain about specific CPU's and GPU's, FSB's etc, power consumption, causing more problems than others leading to destruction, then go ahead.

All I care about is noise which started this whole thing and then you jumped into overclocking... I in no way made my post about abusing hardware for stuff it was not intended. Now if you wish to state that power is a quadratic(squared) function of Voltage, well gee, way to go, No Shit dude! Circuits 101. You are brilliant! State the obvious!

Ignoramous eh? What you think you can't burn out your CPU overclocking its frequency? You may wish to go read a few more overclocking forums. Yea, I build my own computers as well. Who the Hell hasn't? Its not hard. 20 years ago it was actually a bit hard. 30 years ago it actually was hard!

You may wish to rent some ascenders to get out your hole you dug. XP overwriting the same sector. Good one. Memory size remains the same, it does not change. Gets down to the controller now doesn't it... Oh gee, wait, that is what I said. Damnit, I hate it when I am right!

Packet size changes so it will take more space if it does not divide up oh so nice and neat, of course as soon as you remove said data, all of said "volume" magically comes back. So, if your file size downloading is 3GB, it may, gosh golly gee whiz, take 3.4GB to save on an SSD! Oh the end of the world! Want the space, back I "delete" my "3GB" file that in reality is taking up 3.4GB. Hey, hey, hey! How about that, it reappeared!

Yes, eventually SSD's sectors fail, I never said they wouldn't, by being written too many times, common "knowledge" is 500,000 times, or whatever insanely huge number it is. Reality is that it won't happen in my lifetime anyways. Am I running a server? No. Is the guy wanting to install said SSD's running a server? No. By the time my SSD's eventually fail due to too many writes killing sectors, I would have had multiple magnetic hard drives fail. So, you extra "write problems" are so much hogwash. While "technically" correct, in reality it is hogwash. Even in the server environment, would have to be in constant read/write scenario for years of 100% usage. Which if you really are a tech guy you already know. Then again you don't seem to so... I have to doubt your claims about working since 1991. Maybe you worked in a Gateway store in 1991. Oh wait, those didn't exist then. Hmm, I know, an apple store or Bear computers, or...

Can you be a bit more absurd? I bet you can. Dig my friend! DIG! Find some minuscule bit of a technicality you can go harp on.

The rest of us will simply "get along" in reality with what works.

SSD's under any operating system being more robust for everyday life usage than any Magnetic drive unless you are operating an email server for thousands of clients.

Of course the new SSD's don't have this problem which is what he is buying so, hmm Damn, your points really are a cock and bull story now aren't they?

Relax wrote:I have to doubt your claims about working since 1991. Maybe you worked in a Gateway store in 1991. Oh wait, those didn't exist then. Hmm, I know, an apple store or Bear computers, or...

Oh right, i tell a lie! First time i worked as computer support was actually when i was doing PRAO weeks at school ( 1989 i think? ), i worked a few weeks at Digital Equipment Corporation´s main office in Sweden...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TET

Never ever worked in a store btw, although the local computer store did offer me a job there a few times.
And you can doubt it as much as you please, it´s still the truth.

Relax wrote:I said boosting voltage was no more unsafe than boosting MHz. Now the english language may be your 2nd language in which case I will give you a pass. Those that actually speak the language fluently, know that bolded part, 'no more', to mean that I was stating boosting voltage and MHz to be no more problematic.

Actually, i´m a pro translator/proofreader in English and Swedish. After computer support, it´s what i´ve worked as the most.


But why would i bother with commercial quality text in a forum?

And your statement was bad no matter how much you try to sugarcoat it.
Upping frequency until the cpu fails has a drastically lower risk of causing damage than upping voltage.

Relax wrote: Its not hard. 20 years ago it was actually a bit hard. 30 years ago it actually was hard!

And i grew up with an older brother who designed and soldered his own circuit boards.

His Acorn Atom from early 80s had so much cables coming out from everywhere thanks to his additions that you could wear it as a very ugly wig.

And i learned to solder circuit boards myself before i was 10, because my brother´s first job was to start a company doing circuit boards, and his business partner ended up being unreliable, so before shutting it all down, he had to pull some all-week all-nighters to deliver what had been promised in time, and even if i did it at 1/5th his speed, i could still help out a bit.



And you still fail to understand that the average user generally wont be getting the best case scenario.

Well, I can't get upset at Microsoft for this failure. My parents computers that I support burned out my DVD burner. As a result, I drive to Fry's to buy a new LG Blu Ray Burner and the new equipment will not read dvd's in the drive. Not to panic, I go and do a firmware update but I still can not use the the Blu Ray burner. I think I have been cursed by the hardware Gods because so much hardware has failed in the last 4 to 6 months. On the bright side, most of the hardware that has been failing is 10 to 15 years old but this was manufactured in July 2013! What's a Lizard got to do to get some love from the hardware Gods?

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