New SLN and SDF ships

I think at this point everyone is overlooking an important group of people. Forget the SDFs and governments themselves. Trash the weapons dealers and makers. They are all wrapped up in the SLN. Think about the innovators. You should have figured this one out spacekiwi. What is happening in academia. What lines of research are the various universities and colleges working on? What are the pure theorists doing? They may not be working directly on weapons development, but what basic research are they doing? What aspects of gravitation are they researching aggressively? Has someone come up with better detection gear? Has someone developed a better way to focus lasers and grasers? There are at least a thousand systems, many with very top notch schools. Somewhere there is someone who has improved something that the military can use. Can they find it in time?

Yup. That's what I mean. What projects and concepts are just limping along with no real budget because "everyone knows" that there is no need for new weapons or approaches? What organizations and researchers have never considered the military application of their work will suddenly start getting their mgmt asking how they could get a piece of the massive explosion in military spending that is about to sweep the SL?

Sigh, why can people never seem to distinguish between Beowulf choosing not to incorporate Manty/Grayson tech into their ships because they do not want the rest of the universe to know about it, and their intrinsic RIGHT to build whatever ship they wish just as any other SDF.....

There are several SDF's that are WAY ahead of the pathetic SLN. SDF can build anything they wish. They do not beg the SLN!!!

REALLY ANNOYING!

You do not need to look at "acadamia", especially since nearly all of our inventions today do not come out of acadamia, but out of common joe person. Now maybe in Honorverses time that changes... I doubt it.

Remember, the MMM was collecting data etc throughout the SL to incorporate into the RMN/GSN ships. "All" said people in the SL have to "do" is scrounge the existing data from PREEXISTING projects already going on within the SL combined with KNOWN Manty capabilities and POOF, RMN advantages disapear in 5 years what it took them 30+++ years to research and develope. Its why you never saw F-22 being sold. It represents 30 years of research and someone with a keen eye can ascertain the truth of all that research if they get out their tape measures, micrometers, and Spectral analysis inferometers for material composition. Why? Because a lot of its stealth has nothing to do with special coatings or materials but in how one builds its structure. This can easily be picked up. Most of said "secrets" are nothing more than keen observations applied from their Research. Ascertaining said "breakthroughs" takes genius. Copying them simply takes competency. There are Billions-Trillions of competent people in the SL.

PS. The coating on the F-22 that has to be replaced to maintain super low signatures is made up of a ceramic and a matrix. Give you guys a few guesses as to what it is. Its not a "secret", just how to make it is.

What material, absorbs Radar frequencies... Big Hint, its bonding properties absolutely stink and therefore it needs a matrix to "hold". Apply it like paint, and then etch the top surface of the matrix away and viola, ceramic top coat that absorbs Radar frequencies. The frequency absorbed in question is based on the length of said fiber...

You can do effectively the same thing with IR, but all the "edges" of said material glow nice and bright as all that absorbed "heat" glows even brighter making one an even brighter object. Now if there were only a way to actually suck said heat away... Of corse the only things that need to really worry about their IR sig are ICBM's... of which we can't knock out of the sky anyways so its a pointless exercise. Yea yea, helo's etc, but it not even worth thinking about in such structures that are already severely weight limited.

That is why the RNM has at most a 10 year lead, and likely a lot less. However there are a lot of people in SL, and they might have some interesting ideas that might be highly disruptive. For example, the generally worthless "crippler" used as an area effect anti-missile system. If you blow the wedge on 12,000 missiles down a few seconds early the laser packages will likely never get a firing solution and it certainly won't get the one it planned.

Beowulf could just park any new ships at the other end of the Terminus. Out of sight but not out of mind. 1 hour in hypespace away from the terminus a fleet of parked Beowulf SD(P), crewed partially or fully, with a 2 hour return time, would just never be seen. Now that things have taken a turn though, one could see a certain Captain Skimper leading a set of 36 SD(P) to be turned over to Beowulf with trainers to explain how and is or is different, while picking up 36 SD and Skeleton training crew for a couple hundred SL - SD, on there way to Silesia space to train new recruits in ship life, ship systems and in the use of their new Silesian SD system defense ships. As well as the 14 left over Trojan ATS (Advanced system Training Ships) which will take the best of the new recruits and teach them in pod rolling, pod stacking, pod refit and repair, pod recovery, deployment techniques and LAC deployment, LAC recovery, LAC operations, LAC tactics, joint pod and LAC operations ...

A single Trojan ATS and a dozen Sollie SD at 14 main world / system Silesian training facilities add in an additional dozen Sphinx and Gryphon SD with much better systems, one could get the feel of both types of ships even do wargames against the ships you are likely to face in combat situations. Eventually. The Trojan makes an excellent training ship in new tech and tactics systems. A single load of 180 mk16 pods would also make each system in Silesia well defended against any non Sollie SD taskforce. Add in a dozen 282 or Shrike B or Ferret LAC and in two years new crews will be ready and training facilities setup in Silesian space. Plus the main Silesian 14 systems will be secure. And yet will not be a threat to the Andie's. Additionally any pirates or commerce raiding will be shut down throughout the SEM Silesian sphere without using any first line units or crew.

Beowulf training units will be actively employed and will be able to show exactly how the Sollie commanders will act, although likely they will be the very best. It is always best to train with the best.

There are also likely practice mdm's. Have transports bringing in recruits, and taking back trained crew it is a win win win situation.

14 out of the way training stations. A secure Silesia, no hardware limitations, do to training and enough crew to fill all the spaces on the new ships.

Plus Lord Skimper off in Silesia and any new ideas at least a T-month away.
. If only I could cut and paste with my tablet,I could post this where it belongs.

Lord Skimper wrote:Beowulf could just park any new ships at the other end of the Terminus. Out of sight but not out of mind. 1 hour in hypespace away from the terminus a fleet of parked

That is absurd. Get a check into reality.

R&D needed to deliver ideas to design bureaus leave a footprint. People talk.

Design bureau's require massive amounts of $$$ to test and design. Personnel talk.

Manufacturing of said components need to buy/build new machines requiring more design and testing. These people talk.

Space stations in which said ships are being built are hopelessly Un-secretive. Anyone with a camera can figure out a ship is being built let alone when it is backed out of the slip and tractored into its "secretive spot out into the wild blue yonder... Unless you say, hide it under a tarp. In which case even a dumb "spy" can figure out that one REALLY wants to check out this new ship.

All these people have families. Families want to know what their husband/wife/siblings/children/parents are doing. Even if you they do not give specifics, everyone knows a BIG project is going on.

It is hopelessly naive to believe you could hide such a monstorous expenditure of manpower, resources, and $$$. Of the above 3, the easiest to hide is the $$$.

Relax wrote:Space stations in which said ships are being built are hopelessly Un-secretive. Anyone with a camera can figure out a ship is being built let alone when it is backed out of the slip and tractored into its "secretive spot out into the wild blue yonder... Unless you say, hide it under a tarp. In which case even a dumb "spy" can figure out that one REALLY wants to check out this new ship.

Yeah, which is why the RMN built their new technology ships in the Unicorn yards out in the Unicorn asteroid belt and then ferried the personnel to the test facility far from the planets. And then David retcons that so they got built in an orbital station with a million people milling about, in fairly low orbit around a planet with hundreds of millions of people. Luckily the RNM has banned telescopes and cameras...

kzt wrote:

Relax wrote:Space stations in which said ships are being built are hopelessly Un-secretive. Anyone with a camera can figure out a ship is being built let alone when it is backed out of the slip and tractored into its "secretive spot out into the wild blue yonder... Unless you say, hide it under a tarp. In which case even a dumb "spy" can figure out that one REALLY wants to check out this new ship.

Yeah, which is why the RMN built their new technology ships in the Unicorn yards out in the Unicorn asteroid belt and then ferried the personnel to the test facility far from the planets. And then David retcons that so they got built in an orbital station with a million people milling about, in fairly low orbit around a planet with hundreds of millions of people. Luckily the RNM has banned telescopes and cameras...

Don't forget a telescope on a freighter at the junction. It would appear that lens resolution limits as we know them today do not exist in 2000 years.

I meant Beowulf could just commission Manty SD(P) and park them one t-hour in hyperspace out from the Manty Terminus. Not like Beowulf doesn't have Manty friends in high places.

a Freighter could be chalk full of mk16 pods and parked on the Manty side of the Terminus. Just another freighter.

Of course after recent events none of this matters anymore.