A little dirtier topic, how about NBC being used in Safehold

A little dirtier topic, how about NBC being used in Safehold.
Merlin has already ruled out a nuclear strike on the temple so I will drop the N part.

A biologic strike with in the temple complex is possible. How much food is brought into it every day? It would be very easy to add a mutated virus to it that would only take out the people who ate the most expensive foods. Yes it is assignation by poison. I can think of a few people on Safehold how would love the idea (a certain VR prince and ex lady of the night team up without telling Merlin about. One has the knowledge the other has the means). The VC used a wide variety of very cheap and effective Biological casualty producing device during the war using latrine products. The poisoning of wells, food, etc. with biologic waste has been a warfare staple since before the bible.

Add a few chemical like pepper or sulfur to your smoke bombs and you get an effective Tear gas. Add other Chemicals and it becomes more deadly. A valid use is in the canals, a heavy chemical laced smoke blowing downwind in the low laying canal path would clear it easily with the enemy have to abandoning their barges coughing and puking their guts up. If you had troops on the high ground out of the smoke you would clean up. Throw a few hundred pounds of sulfur burning pitch in an enclosed fort or trench lines during calm weather and see what effect it has on the defenders. Its called smoking them out. There are a lot of other deadlier chemical available.

I know that MWW-RFC is keeping it clean and doesn't want this genie out of the bottle. But it is available and history is full of examples.

Hi Chief-CWH,

It's been proposed before of course, and RFC has shot it down for the usual anti-CB reasons plus the fact that Safehold is far more advanced in terms of sanitation and health precautions than you may have thought.

Smoke for signalling seems obvious while smoke shells for more direct effects are not completely anathematized.

L

Chief-CWH wrote:A little dirtier topic, how about NBC being used in Safehold.
Merlin has already ruled out a nuclear strike on the temple so I will drop the N part.

A biologic strike with in the temple complex is possible. How much food is brought into it every day? It would be very easy to add a mutated virus to it that would only take out the people who ate the most expensive foods. Yes it is assignation by poison. I can think of a few people on Safehold how would love the idea (a certain VR prince and ex lady of the night team up without telling Merlin about. One has the knowledge the other has the means). The VC used a wide variety of very cheap and effective Biological casualty producing device during the war using latrine products. The poisoning of wells, food, etc. with biologic waste has been a warfare staple since before the bible.

Add a few chemical like pepper or sulfur to your smoke bombs and you get an effective Tear gas. Add other Chemicals and it becomes more deadly. A valid use is in the canals, a heavy chemical laced smoke blowing downwind in the low laying canal path would clear it easily with the enemy have to abandoning their barges coughing and puking their guts up. If you had troops on the high ground out of the smoke you would clean up. Throw a few hundred pounds of sulfur burning pitch in an enclosed fort or trench lines during calm weather and see what effect it has on the defenders. Its called smoking them out. There are a lot of other deadlier chemical available.

I know that MWW-RFC is keeping it clean and doesn't want this genie out of the bottle. But it is available and history is full of examples.

lyonheart wrote:Hi Chief-CWH,

It's been proposed before of course, and RFC has shot it down for the usual anti-CB reasons plus the fact that Safehold is far more advanced in terms of sanitation and health precautions than you may have thought.

Smoke for signalling seems obvious while smoke shells for more direct effects are not completely anathematized.

L

I Said

I know that MWW-RFC is keeping it clean and doesn't want this genie out of the bottle. But it is available and history is full of examples.

As far is sanitation and health precautions go Tell it all the people in the US that has died or been poison in the last few year by E Coli from biological waste being used on farms. I would think our system of safety should be above Safehold's and unintentional deaths still happen.

Just look at BZ, CS, WP, varies organic phosphates like GS and the list goes on and on. Privatively bees, snakes, wasp, scorpions, dead bodies, brimstone (sulfur) etc was on the battlefield.

I hadn't seen the other posts. I was just reacting to the napalm, guncotton, and other modern weapons being brought out. Plus MWW-RFC has added assassination and Merlin thoughts about nuking the temple.

Chief-CWH wrote:

lyonheart wrote:Hi Chief-CWH,

It's been proposed before of course, and RFC has shot it down for the usual anti-CB reasons plus the fact that Safehold is far more advanced in terms of sanitation and health precautions than you may have thought.

Smoke for signalling seems obvious while smoke shells for more direct effects are not completely anathematized.

L

I Said

I know that MWW-RFC is keeping it clean and doesn't want this genie out of the bottle. But it is available and history is full of examples.

As far is sanitation and health precautions go Tell it all the people in the US that has died or been poison in the last few year by E Coli from biological waste being used on farms. I would think our system of safety should be above Safehold's and unintentional deaths still happen.

Just look at BZ, CS, WP, varies organic phosphates like GS and the list goes on and on. Privatively bees, snakes, wasp, scorpions, dead bodies, brimstone (sulfur) etc was on the battlefield.

I hadn't seen the other posts. I was just reacting to the napalm, guncotton, and other modern weapons being brought out. Plus MWW-RFC has added assassination and Merlin thoughts about nuking the temple.

Then there the Genocide in the SR, with Guerrilla-Attrition warfare. People used to poison the water and salt the earth in Terror-Denial warfare. It is happening just not committed about.

Yes, this is happening in the real world. But what is the relevance to Safehold? Is there a reason you brought it up in this forum?

SWM wrote:Yes, this is happening in the real world. But what is the relevance to Safehold? Is there a reason you brought it up in this forum?

As another way the end the war. Nuke the temple as Merlin decided not to - assassinate people in the temple with biological agent (MWW-RFC is all ready doing assassination). Chemical agent to channel enemy into kill zones.

MWW-RFC is all ready playing with Mercury, Phosphates, Nitrates, in his books. I was just changing there use. OWLS has the data need, Nahrmahn has the plans, and Nynian has the resources.

Fewer people die and the main drive for the war ends.

SWM wrote:Yes, this is happening in the real world. But what is the relevance to Safehold? Is there a reason you brought it up in this forum?

If you want a biological weapon, do not forget the flaming pigs of Scipio Africanus. I don't know why I suspect that artillery dragons will see them and relocate rearwards at high speed.

While it is true that there are recent issues with E Coli, it is also the case that the young generation seems to take cleanliness --not body cleanliness, not sterilization of hands after using the facilities, but simple things like washing all vegetables prior to eating or cooking them, and scrupulous cleaning of the kitchen -- less seriously than my generation does. YMMV.

The only people pleased to think of this are Nimue and Nahrman. Nimue won't, for the same reason that she did not think that the enemy might surrender. Nahrman has vast amounts of reading to do. Also, Nahrman very clearly understands that beating the Temple via superweapons that win instantly is a totally losing strategy.

phillies wrote:

SWM wrote:Yes, this is happening in the real world. But what is the relevance to Safehold? Is there a reason you brought it up in this forum?

If you want a biological weapon, do not forget the flaming pigs of Scipio Africanus. I don't know why I suspect that artillery dragons will see them and relocate rearwards at high speed.

While it is true that there are recent issues with E Coli, it is also the case that the young generation seems to take cleanliness --not body cleanliness, not sterilization of hands after using the facilities, but simple things like washing all vegetables prior to eating or cooking them, and scrupulous cleaning of the kitchen -- less seriously than my generation does. YMMV.

The only people pleased to think of this are Nimue and Nahrman. Nimue won't, for the same reason that she did not think that the enemy might surrender. Nahrman has vast amounts of reading to do. Also, Nahrman very clearly understands that beating the Temple via superweapons that win instantly is a totally losing strategy.

I ruled Merlin out, you sent the Palladian away before you loot the dead. Merlin will kill be he regrets every death.

QWL has the data.

Nahrman has and is thinking about assassination, and with clues like reading Machiavelli and others he knows even more about assassinations. He sent assassin of his own to kill Cayleb, Hector, and others. It is one of his favorites tools. Nahrman kills to advance the great games without any regrets. He looks at the board and kills to win.

Nynian has assassinated seven people all ready and would love to destroy the whole temple in one blow. Nynian will kill for revenge and want regret it either.

As far as losing strategy, the winner write history. God was feed up with the temple management and changed it. Cayleb church must be righteous because their still around. With the hole in leadership the group of four has all ready made plus their deaths inside the temple the COG would be in crisis with no leadership. Add the financial problem of the debt the wars created, all the deaths by starvation, the unjustified war, and COG isn't a real player.

The Church of Chris becomes the de facto Church of God with changes in its message. No it won't be easy but it has happen. And can happen here because EOC is really the only superpower left.

Chief-CWH wrote:I know that MWW-RFC is keeping it clean and doesn't want this genie out of the bottle. But it is available and history is full of examples.

So far the Church has shown absolutely NO scruples in using any weapon, tactic, or strategy at their disposal, no matter how horrible it may be, to suit its own needs.

So if they haven't discovered the possibility of biological and chemical weapons, in Charis' case I'd do everything, EVERYTHING at all to make sure it damn stays that way.

And the LAST thing I'd want to do is making the Church aware of the possibility and existance of such weapons.

Using biological weapons as an assassination tool is very unpredictable. Admittedly without airports, Safehold is less susceptible to a pandemic, but still. Anyone you poison with a disease is going to be infectious before they die. If that person visits a brothel, the entire city could be dead in weeks.

Given how much business Zion's brothels seem to get, more like days.

I agree that a disease among the Go4 and the Inquisition would support the belief that they're in God's bad books. But however beneficial this is in the short term, starting a bio-war on the last planet of humanity is a bad idea. As the quote puts so well.

clancy688 wrote:
So far the Church has shown absolutely NO scruples in using any weapon, tactic, or strategy at their disposal, no matter how horrible it may be, to suit its own needs.

So if they haven't discovered the possibility of biological and chemical weapons, in Charis' case I'd do everything, EVERYTHING at all to make sure it damn stays that way.

And the LAST thing I'd want to do is making the Church aware of the possibility and existance of such weapons.