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NEAT in the next generation
Post by Forestfire   » Wed May 06, 2015 2:49 pm

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Iris and Hector are expecting. Caleb and Sharley already have a baby. At what point in a fetus/infants development would a NEAT be implanted. If it a prepubescent thing hector and calebs sibs might already have them. I'm assuming here that early rollout should be confined to children of the inner circle. Would Merlin even ask permission? He has made a point of informing the inercircle about his unilateral actions. This would fall under the heading of not for Charis but the future
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Re: NEAT in the next generation
Post by Rajani Isa   » Wed May 06, 2015 3:49 pm

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There wouldn't be any real benefit. They'd all learn suspiciously fast if used, and there is no indication that they'd have any other use for the connections for at least a couple generations or so.
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Re: NEAT in the next generation
Post by SYED   » Thu May 07, 2015 12:46 am

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We know apparently there are genetic upgrades, which do not raise suspicions, could such upgrades be widely distributed once more. So they would be better prepared for the future. THey do have a med based AI after all.
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Re: NEAT in the next generation
Post by AirTech   » Sat May 09, 2015 9:37 am

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Rajani Isa wrote:There wouldn't be any real benefit. They'd all learn suspiciously fast if used, and there is no indication that they'd have any other use for the connections for at least a couple generations or so.


Having the hardware does not require obvious usage. That said, history is full of children who learn amazingly fast - prodigiously in fact. Having a very bright child would not be surprising for Caleb & Sharley's children...
I would imagine the integration side would be a matter of teaching the child to access the NEAT and use its capabilities - something that has not been explored in the novels to date.
Having a NEAT would permit faster data connectivity than the other means currently used by the inner circle - I suspect the references to high and low speed data links on the PICA's may relate to similar links on the NEAT system including the tie to personal biological memory. Based on the textev and a little supposition, the high speed data links being used for education, personality backup (with the possibility of brain regeneration / rebuild after major damage)(Nahrmahn Baytz redux) and PICA up-link & down-link amongst other functions.
On a side path, I would suggest that having a NEAT as a crutch could result in people storing personal memories on the electronics and depending on them for normal recall (as they would be sharper and more real than biological memory), but also making electronic access possible to hack and overwrite personal recall more easy.
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Re: NEAT in the next generation
Post by bkwormlisa   » Sat May 09, 2015 3:16 pm

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In one of the books, it said that anyone who found a NEAT in someone's skull would wonder. I'm not sure they can risk it. And that's assuming that they can. Merlin has NEATs, but I don't recall any mention that he has the implants or the knowledge to make them, and I doubt Owl has the ability to do brain surgery.
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Re: NEAT in the next generation
Post by Kytheros   » Sat May 09, 2015 5:17 pm

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bkwormlisa wrote:In one of the books, it said that anyone who found a NEAT in someone's skull would wonder. I'm not sure they can risk it. And that's assuming that they can. Merlin has NEATs, but I don't recall any mention that he has the implants or the knowledge to make them, and I doubt Owl has the ability to do brain surgery.

There's a full function medical computer, a Federation library database, and a fabricator. Plus the medical bed and any other medical support equipment stashed away.
Oh, and Federation nanotech.

Even supposing NEAT implantation requires actual invasive surgery, it's probable that there's the necessary equipment available, or if not, Owl can build it.
Oh, and there's the distinct possibility that nanotech figures prominently in NEAT implantation process, possibly building much, if not all, of the implants where they go.
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Re: NEAT in the next generation
Post by Tanstaafl   » Sun May 10, 2015 8:02 am

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Sometimes it is necessary to clear up some concepts before going to the meat of the discussion.
This is such a time.

The Neural Education And Training machine, or NEAT, is a device conceived by the Terran Federation that can educate a human automatically. Think of it as a computer with a specialized AI and a lot of educational software and a huge library.

Only with a high speed interface can a human be connected with a NEAT. This is the reason only Adams and Eves could be reeducated with a NEAT by Shan Wei.

The high speed interface was not only used for communication with a NEAT, but for many other thinks. Think of it as having an always on internet connection in your head. You use Wikipedia by just thinking about a topic. Searching Google idem.

Shortly after a baby was born, days or weeks is my impression, a High Speed Interface was surgically implanted in the baby's skull.

And now back to the topic.

Implants for newborns, especially for royal newborns. The implants cannot be hidden from visitors, nurses, onlookers etc. and they cannot be explained. That was the reason Alahnah did not receive implants. I think the same logic prohibits the child of Iris and Hektor to receive implants.

For other children of inner circle members or children brought up by them it can be highly advantageous. Imagine a military commander with a life aerial view of the battlefield and the enemy's positions in his head.
Or a marine controlling his weapons with his mind.
Or a scientist searching libraries at light speed.

The NEAT is just one of many tools you can use with the high speed interface implanted in your skull. And when it's existence becomes general knowledge every responsible parent shall want it for their newborn.
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Re: NEAT in the next generation
Post by schoeffelk   » Sun May 10, 2015 11:53 am

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If the NEAT interface was an external port I could see the issue. If the NEAT interface were an internal restructuring of a specific portion of the central nervous system it is a moot point. No one could 'detect' it since there is no external evidence. Since there is no description it could be assumed that the connection was transdermal. Just think of where we are now with the implantable hearing and vision devices. Where could the world be in 100 years, or more.
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Re: NEAT in the next generation
Post by SWM   » Sun May 10, 2015 2:49 pm

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schoeffelk wrote:If the NEAT interface was an external port I could see the issue. If the NEAT interface were an internal restructuring of a specific portion of the central nervous system it is a moot point. No one could 'detect' it since there is no external evidence. Since there is no description it could be assumed that the connection was transdermal. Just think of where we are now with the implantable hearing and vision devices. Where could the world be in 100 years, or more.

Since David wrote that it would be visible, it clearly is not transdermal. The high-speed interface is apparently an external port.
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Re: NEAT in the next generation
Post by SYED   » Mon May 11, 2015 12:58 am

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i wonder if the NEAT of the adams and eves contain any useful information. they were all saids, so the locations of their bodies known and preserved.
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