How big and how to minimize RFC latest devious suggestion

I was reading through one of the older threads when i came across RFC saying this:

runsforcelery wrote:For that matter, I'm a bit surprised that there hasn't been more discussion on the four of the potential for a catastrophic point failure if Something Goes Wrong at Delthak. By the strangest turn of fate, I think it's possible — possible, you understand — something like that might be addressed in the new book.

So how big do we think this will be? Oyster bay sized? pearl harbor size? or just a large industrial accident?

What do we think this will be? a boiler explosion? An accumulator bursting? a large metal spill? a bomb? the gas works go off?

and finally how could it be minimized? is Delthak just so big it can't have too large an effect? putting in catch basins around accumulators and smelters? additional pressure relief valves for the boilers?

OR is this RFC just messing with us all?

Add earthquakes, tornadoes, cyclons and other completely natural disasters, that could, theoretically, not left stone on stone in Delthak.

Dilandu wrote:Add earthquakes, tornadoes, cyclons and other completely natural disasters, that could, theoretically, not left stone on stone in Delthak.

well that might happen but i think RFC would make it something more controllable like sabotage or industrial disasters then mother nature. Now i mainly say this as in all of RFC books i have read i have not seen any time that mother nature caused damage on the scale that this would imply. Now what happened against Thrisk i feel is an exception to this as boats are capable of avoiding storms but a factory is not.

Generally, i think it would be some really bad industrial incident. The Charisian building their industry at a almost completely unrealistic pace; they already should have enormous problems with materials, tools and qualified workforce. So, SOMETHING must happened without doubts - or all the Charis Empire would face a much worse fate, the danger of turning into Mary-Sues!

Dilandu wrote:Generally, i think it would be some really bad industrial incident. The Charisian building their industry at a almost completely unrealistic pace; they already should have enormous problems with materials, tools and qualified workforce. So, SOMETHING must happened without doubts - or all the Charis Empire would face a much worse fate, the danger of turning into Mary-Sues!

but but if they became mary sues all of their issues would go away hell they would probably suddenly be able to control the OBS and the temples air conditioning and then they could cook the group of 4 alive and that would make for such a splendid ending as their final army is smighted by the rakiura

XD

on a more serious note they did have plenty of problems getting their industry get set up and other things like that but the novels really have not touched on that as that has little to do with the main storyline but i bet if there were even more info dumps we would have seen plenty of issues in their build up of the industry

captinjoehenry wrote:on a more serious note they did have plenty of problems getting their industry get set up and other things like that but the novels really have not touched on that as that has little to do with the main storyline but i bet if there were even more info dumps we would have seen plenty of issues in their build up of the industry

Not at all; they have ridiculously small problems for something on that scale. They were able to construct the late-XIX century-level industry from almost nothing in absurdly small time.

Dilandu wrote:Generally, i think it would be some really bad industrial incident. The Charisian building their industry at a almost completely unrealistic pace; they already should have enormous problems with materials, tools and qualified workforce. So, SOMETHING must happened without doubts - or all the Charis Empire would face a much worse fate, the danger of turning into Mary-Sues!

I started worrying about this a long time ago when DW mentioned he had a highly accurate map of the works. He wouldn't do that unless he needed it...

I'm thinking sabotage, personally. How about a wagonload of Lewisite placed next to one of the brick accumulators. If they are too close, one of them could fall onto the next one, and so on. And I bet that if the accumulator, or the cold water in it, hit a boiler, you could get a steam explosion.

You could also sabotage the coal tar plant, of course See chapters 3 & 4 of 1634: The Baltic War.

The Inquisition would need someone with a knowledge of placing explosives. Or, I suppose, it could be a local who was blackmailed/threatened by the inquisition (we have your son/daughter/wife/lover).

-- Bob G

BobG wrote:

Dilandu wrote:Generally, i think it would be some really bad industrial incident. The Charisian building their industry at a almost completely unrealistic pace; they already should have enormous problems with materials, tools and qualified workforce. So, SOMETHING must happened without doubts - or all the Charis Empire would face a much worse fate, the danger of turning into Mary-Sues!

I started worrying about this a long time ago when DW mentioned he had a highly accurate map of the works. He wouldn't do that unless he needed it...

I'm thinking sabotage, personally. How about a wagonload of Lewisite placed next to one of the brick accumulators. If they are too close, one of them could fall onto the next one, and so on. And I bet that if the accumulator, or the cold water in it, hit a boiler, you could get a steam explosion.

You could also sabotage the coal tar plant, of course See chapters 3 & 4 of 1634: The Baltic War.

The Inquisition would need someone with a knowledge of placing explosives. Or, I suppose, it could be a local who was blackmailed/threatened by the inquisition (we have your son/daughter/wife/lover).

-- Bob G

i personally am of the opinion that the accumulators most likely already have some sort of retaining wall between their establishments along the lines of what we have nowadays around oil tanks to help to mitigate spills. So most likely they would have a wall around the three blast furnace and workshop that they supply. Now i personally feel that from the get go the whole of Delthak has been saturated with sensors to detect any sort of concentration of explosives especially after the rakuri strikes so I feel like the most likely event would be some sort of sabotage that does not involve explosives. But any sort of sabotage at all would be very difficult in Delthak as i assume that as i already said that Delthak is saturated with sensors to detect anything of that sort so most likely if anything is going to happen it would be something that sensors would not be able to detect coming in time to do something about it like a tiny crack that suddenly grows causing some structure to break or something like that.

You are forgetting that the old king had been secretly preparing his country for a future to regain what humanity had lost, with the aid of that holy order. THere are lots of minor things he could secretly arrange to be establish, that passed under the radar of the church, but when it was time for war and change, it allowed them to truly establish a better footing than theoretically possible to the known industries.
ANd these acts were not only to aid the short term, but to also allow for long term growth and eventual development and evolution of hte craft. THe old kingdom were to act as the foundations of the eventual fall of hte church.

captinjoehenry wrote:I was reading through one of the older threads when i came across RFC saying this:

runsforcelery wrote:For that matter, I'm a bit surprised that there hasn't been more discussion on the four of the potential for a catastrophic point failure if Something Goes Wrong at Delthak. By the strangest turn of fate, I think it's possible — possible, you understand — something like that might be addressed in the new book.

So how big do we think this will be? Oyster bay sized? pearl harbor size? or just a large industrial accident?

What do we think this will be? a boiler explosion? An accumulator bursting? a large metal spill? a bomb? the gas works go off?

and finally how could it be minimized? is Delthak just so big it can't have too large an effect? putting in catch basins around accumulators and smelters? additional pressure relief valves for the boilers?

OR is this RFC just messing with us all?

From the text, they're starting to replicate the Delthak works at other locations. A bigger factor may be losing some key people.

jms