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by XofDallas » Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:14 pm | |
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Ok, I tried, I really tried, to respond to the "Three Things I Want to See Most" thread. Problem was, I couldn't limit my response to three things. No way, no how!
Further, though I think I have some pretty good ideas for the time of HFQ, predicting beyond that, well, my crystal ball wouldn't like me any more and might rebel. So, I have my list of all major things I think will happen in HFQ. Nine (9) Gloriously Foolish Predictions for HFQ (with subparts, of course): 1. (1st half of HFQ): With respect to St. Zhana, Fairkyn and Ohlahrn in turn: a. BGV flanks the town and straddles its supply routes, taking out any semaphore towers along the way and rebuilding them; b. BGV scout snipers identify all storage dumps and housing for AoG troops in each city (should be easy, they should be the only buildings left). Under cover of bad weather or night, BGV shells those buildings in a mortar attack, then withdraws to the west, leaving a platoon and a mortar squad at each town to destroy supplies, additional buildings, etc. and to harass any remaining AoG troops. Said platoons set their camps about 10 mi west of each town, and interdict any supplies. Their objective is to destroy/interdict supplies, shelter and clothing, and let General Winter do the rest of their work for them. c. At least one town enjoys good weather, so BGV has scout snipers quietly take any semaphore stations up to 40 mi west of that town before attacking, so no smoke or fires are noticed by intact semaphore stations, keeping the element of surprise. d. BGV manages to surprise Guarnak and take it, then pushes troops south to some point where the terrain makes it easy for him to block any forces coming from Sylmahn Gap, thus trapping them and cutting off their supplies. e. BGV sends another force north to surprise and take the town of Hyrdmyn as well. f. BGV receives reinforcements and supplies by sea through Ranshair and through the New Northland Canal and the Guarnak/Ice Ash Canal, while repairs on the latter go apace, so the need for overland supply routes (or portions of routes) diminishes. g. BGV destroys Wyrshym's remaining forces. h. (By end of summer) BGV starts marching on Five Forks. 2. (Second half of HFQ): CE launches a surprise assault on the Salthar Canal, surprisingly from the west, south of Port Salthar. The surprise enables CE to roll up the canal from an unexpected direction, and to capture the Canal largely intact. Silk Town, losing its canal and then facing a powerful fleet and potential bombardment, explores capitulation (not without violent dissention, but between Nahrman and Aivah, it becomes far easier to neutralize than was the case in Siddarmark). a. A blocking force is sent south of Port Salthar to block any reaction forces from the south. b. Thirsk is forced by his superiors to sortie to attack the landing force. His fleet is destroyed, and he is captured. Because he is concerned for his family, the CE announces his death and then quietly starts a watch over his family, to see if those holding its members start to relax their vigilance, so the family members can be spirited away. 3. (First half of HFQ): Merlin and Nimue read and translate Kohdy's Journal. The coded entries reveal that the Societies of Chihiro/Schueler/Langhorne are who he is going to meet, and that if he doesn't return, it is because of them. a. The coded entries also direct Merlin/Nimue to additional caches of weapons and records, and give them better info on what the orbital defenses will/will not allow. b. They also reveal secret ways into the Temple. c. One of the info caches also contains an original text of the Writ. 4. (About halfway through HFQ): The CoGA attempts to move the southern half of the Harchongese Army and/or its supplies to support Dohlar through the Gulf of Tanshar (Similar to how CE moved troops through Raven's Land). The CE western navy jumps all over this and destroys all shipping, either destroying 25-50% of the Harchongese Army or all its supplies, rendering it ineffective. 5. (First third of HFQ): CE forces move north from Thesmar and take Alykberg, trapping Ahlvarez's forces. They are captured, while Ahlverez escapes. 6. (About halfway through HFQ):An attempt is made to capture/assassinate Sharleyan in Chisolm. The attempt is nipped in the bud, and the outfall gives Sharleyan much more economic and logistical leverage throughout the kingdom, allowing it to increase the effectiveness of its production. 7. (Second half of HFQ): A similar attempt is made on Daivyn's life, and almost succeeds. The result is that there is now some urgency to change the laws of succession in Corisande. Irys produces a male heir, whom Daivyn immediately names as his successor, thus mooting things a bit. Nevertheless, Daivyn wants Irys as his successor, and, surprisingly, seems quite adept at moving and shaking things politically to make that happen. a. Irys' pregnancy and producing a heir, in light of Hektor's injuries, produces some juicy gossip, which is firmly quashed (or as much and as firmly as possible). b. Hektor is made adjutant to whoever commands the Corisandan Navy, with instructions to learn as much as possible about running a navy. He becomes aware he is being groomed to be a force in naval administration in the ICN. 8. (Halfway through HFQ): One of the concentration camps is liberated. Soldiers throw up at what they see there. They keep anymore people from dying, although the health of almost all inmates is precarious. These inmates will wind up spreading the word of what the CoGA is really doing throughout Alliance lands. In addition, many decide to travel into CoGA lands to spread the word as well, basically becoming martyrs. 9. Mabb Winds up killing two more sets of Schuelerites, in each case leaving messages for Clyntahn. Word gets out to the Scheulerite priests first, then to the nobility in all Temple-controlled lands, then to their military leaders, then to their troops. |
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Re: Gloriously Foolish Predictions 4 HFQ Major Events (SPOIL | |
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by 6L6 » Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:23 pm | |
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Wow!!!, XofDallas thats quite a prediction.
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Re: Gloriously Foolish Predictions 4 HFQ Major Events (SPOIL | |
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by TN4994 » Fri Nov 14, 2014 9:06 pm | |
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XofDallas: might we see a training device to accustom the Imperial Charisian Army (landlubbers) to the effects of a long sea voyage.
Powered by either waterwheel or steam engine. Made of a wooden skeleton with metal rails. The structure would consist of many hill-like crests, each hill getting progressively smaller. The structure will be a complete circuit of three overlapping venues. Possibly cpmbinations of linked figure eights. Eight flat carts with wheels and axles calibrated to ride the metal railing will be lifted up the first and highest hill by a chain-hoist type device and let to fly down the gadient to rise up the next hill by speed momentum. This would continue until the carts arrived back at the originating point. We may want to lean the track in here and there to better simulate the roll of our navy's ships. |
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by XofDallas » Fri Nov 14, 2014 9:18 pm | |
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Well... yaknow.... I think the candy cane must be invented first. Either that or sliced bread. Hmmm.... feeling patronized... which may well be deserved on my part. |
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by TN4994 » Fri Nov 14, 2014 9:48 pm | |
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They already have sliced bread. Well maybe not commercially sliced. But I recall someone telling his valet to put the meat between two slices of bread. And since they have beer, I think a thick crust pizza would present itself.
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by Keith_w » Sat Nov 15, 2014 1:22 am | |
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But do they have decent pepperoni? --
A common mistake people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. |
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by TN4994 » Sat Nov 15, 2014 2:43 am | |
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Depends; does Safehold have pork? Although ground slash-lizard pressed with caribou and spiced correctly should work. |
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by lyonheart » Sat Nov 15, 2014 4:34 am | |
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Hi XofDallas,
"Very Interesting" - "Laugh In" etc Permit me to respond to your bravely sharing your ideas. 1. A. First, BGV has to get thru the Northland Gap, which has some 10-12,000+ AoG/AoS troops guarding it, really not enough I know but still have to be dealt with before St. Zhana can be dealt with. B. I doubt a pound or two of gunpowder in a mortar shell is enough to all that much damage to whatever huts or hovels the AoS has made in the middle of nowhere, albeit an improvement over what the anti personnel shrapnel could against the roofs, but I expect some RFC description of their construction and faults. Smoke or burning agents might be more effective in forcing the occupants out. A mortar squad has only 3 mortars, so against a force of potentially thousands they could get overwhelmed even with a platoon to watch over them. D. The canal, its tow paths plus the high road, are the only high speed route of supply, the Lake Wyvern plug force doesn't have any off road mobility, so blocking that route satisfies that requirement, OTOH, we have no data including the maps for any narrowing of the terrain to conform to your wish. E. The town is a secondary objective at best, to be taken only after Guarnak, BGV's campaign objective, and waiting for the weather to warm up. F. The New Northland Canal is rather long just by itself, so unless the steam powered canal barges are used, the time delay for delivery will be as slow as always. G. I think BGV will destroy or capture Wyrshym's army by May at the latest. H. I think you mean BGV will march on Five forks by the beginning of summer, not its end. 2. A. I have argued long and hard for the 'liberation' of Silkiah; please use the proper terms, and avoid any reference to something so crass as taking the Salthar Canal intact. Regardless of the fact that its an obvious major EoC war objective, to cut the supply to the Gulf of Dohlar in half, other posters have gradually recognised the potential, particularly using the scout snipers coming from the south to take the western locks, but whether RFC agrees is something else again. No one including Rock Point thinks the ICN should dabble in the east end of the gulf until reinforced by the KH VII's, so an invasion from the west is a bit of a stretch all right. I personally think the liberation will be relatively popular, but we won't know until the snippets or the book says so. A. Taking the north-south mountain range from Salthar Bay to the Gulf of Jawras goes far in providing the proper easily defended southern boundary for Silkiah, the additional territory at Desnar's expense not hurting the average Silkiahan's attitude toward the lenient terms I expect. B. I don't expect Sharpfield to risk so much; his fleet is about half the size of the RDN, and most of his marines when he doesn't have enough to start with; when both are still so dependent on the wind [he knows about the screw galleys' exception to that], nor Thirsk to sortie until its too late, especially if their going to strip the navy to create a new army to face DE and EHM. 3. The snippets say he was going to meet Schueler, who else was involved won't be mentioned since he was killed. A. We wish there will be a data/tech/ weapons dump of such proportions, but that would be too easy. B. Nynian might already know of 'secret' entrances to the temple. C. Nimue already has an original text of the Holy Writ. 4. The CoGA doesn't begin to have the shipping to lift the whole MHoGatA, so the ICN can't destroy the MHoGatA, especially when it much easier to simply march along the shore. 5. Crossing the Seridahn river near Thesmar is the quickest way to get away from the alliance and back into supply for Ahlverez, he was at least half way there at the end of LaMA [only 300 miles] at last report, so he may have made it by now. 6. You do know Sharleyan is on her way back to Tellesburg, not Cherayth? By sea? 7. Boy you are really trying to cram everything into one book aren't you? The earliest the babe could be born is November and its rather unlikely RFC can cover 9+ month's in one book at this point. A. I doubt such since her cousin the general has already figured out how much hector has recovered. B. I see no textev for him having any such aptitude in naval administration, service on the KH VII's seems more likely. 8. Marylys and other camps may be liberated before the MHoGatA is dealt with, but it will be secondary to the plots since most remaining victims will have died during the winter. 9. There are lots of ways RFC can have Mabb operate, I suspect Nynian will incorporate his letter into her own operations. Thanks for the thinking, L
Any snippet or post from RFC is good if not great!
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by XofDallas » Sat Nov 15, 2014 8:28 am | |
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Always good to get a reply from Lyonheart. He checks your math and makes you think. So, to respond (not quoting him quoting me, it gets a bit long):
1A. So much the better! I think BGV can get by the forces holding the gap and finish them off rather quickly. This also means the three towns in question will be only very lightly defended, although they may also be supply depots. This means BGV should have little difficulty taking each of the three towns in turn, relatively quickly. The thing I think is missing from most prognostications of BGV's possible strategies is that he has both a mobility and an equipment advantage (or rather, AoG is severely disadvantaged because of its lack of adequate clothing and thin supply situation). Wyrshym's western forces simply cannot move far without freezing to death. Wouldn't BGV want to use that advantage by giving them only the options of: (1) move and freeze to death; or (2) sit and starve to death? To my mind, if BGV can finesse a situation where he can neutralize Wyrshym's forces without tying up a significant number of his (BGV's) men, and without putting them at risk, I think he'd take that approach in a heartbeat. d. The Sylmahn Gap is described as being 20 miles wide in some places, and only 10 miles wide in others. BGV's forces are too small to effectively bottle up Wyrshym's forces in the Gap without using at least some terrain features. I just don't know what they'll be yet. 2. All of Silkiah does not have to capitulate immediately. Silk Town would be sufficient if the rest of the Canal can be taken more or less intact (completely intact, I doubt. 4. I doubt they'd ship all the southern Harchongese Army by boat either. Nevertheless, they're going to be working under time constraints and a new sense of urgency, and boat travel in general is much faster and cheaper than overland travel. So, to the extent supplies for the army can be moved by boat, they will try. And destroying any such supplies when they're in ships and vulnerable to CE attack would be a very good thing for CE to do if it can. My main point here is that it would be far, far better for CE to destroy or limit this force before it gets to the front than to wait to see them lined up and with all their weapons available. 5. I think CE forces are already moving north from Thesmar. Thus, trapping Ahlverez' forces is a very real possibility. 6. Ok, that just means the attempt described likely will occur in a later book. 7. I still think an attempt on Daivyn will be made. I still think it will result in some urgency about changing the succession laws. I still think tongues will wag about Irys somehow having a paramour |
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by JeffEngel » Sat Nov 15, 2014 10:30 am | |
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Is Hector any longer in a physical condition for sea service? I forget just how badly he came off after Clintahn's little "wedding present", even with all busy nanites could do, but as I recall, sea-going naval careers had been ended by less maiming than he suffered. And while he hasn't demonstrated any such aptitude, he is young, adaptable, clever, and dutiful, and it's a field clearly related to what he does have experience doing, so some shore-side job for him would seem suitable. Given his position as both Ahrmahk (adopted) and Daykyn (married) royalty, and the heroic stature he's got in Corisande now, there's fine political reason to keep him ashore too. Rebuilding Corisande's navy as a component of the ICN is a big and important job, and while he's mighty junior in naval service to occupy a senior role in it, his political status and undoubted practical experience with galleon warfare can still make him important in that role. |
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