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What does the Temple look like?
Post by Tanstaafl   » Mon Sep 08, 2014 2:14 pm

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The Temple and what is beneath it plays a crucial role in this story. But what do we really know about it?

At first I did imagine a lot bigger version of the local church around the corner. But some things did not add up when I thought about it.

There are 300 Vicars who have a lavish apartment in the Temple. With wife, children and a nanny that is living space for 1500 to 2000 people in the temple. Twice as many as live in the Vatican.
Those 300 Vicars have assistants and hold office in the Temple. Office space for 300 VIP’s and their staff, let us guess at 1500 desks, take up a lot of room.

The CoGA is run from the Temple. The departments equivalent to the IRS, FBI/CIA, Education, Health, Defense, etc have also offices in the Temple. That is another few thousand desks.

The barracks of the temple guards are in a later extension to the Temple. As are the Kitchens and some of the dungeons.
Some people here are more knowledgeable than I am in this regard, but my estimate is 5 shifts of 150 guards each. Perhaps double shifts when the Temple is open to the public, which makes it 6 or 7 shifts.

That makes it 3000 people living there plus at least double that amount working there.

I did mention the Vatican as a reference, but that is mostly a lot of separate buildings in a park. The Temple is a single building. I started thinking about this when I visited the complex of the Invalides in Paris. Another example of a building the right size could be the Pentagon in Arlington VA.

In OAR is a description of the Cathedral part of the temple, but no indication how huge the rest of the complex is. If it is as big as I think it is, there is room beneath it for a hidden complex as big as a small town.

Anybody else with any thoughts how to envision this complex?
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Re: What does the Temple look like?
Post by tootall   » Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:49 pm

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What a great question!!

- The Mad Wizard used to play DnD-He could probably whip up a hell of a Dungeon-ah temple- (Elemental Evil anyone?)

Very likely he already has one- we've just not yet seen it.
Lots of the last book will be in the dungeon-TEMPLE, I mean TEMPLE. :D :D
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Re: What does the Temple look like?
Post by chrisd   » Mon Sep 08, 2014 6:52 pm

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I have always thought of it as being a "Hagia Sofia" structure with flanking colonnades for the temple bureaucracy
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Re: What does the Temple look like?
Post by evilauthor   » Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:04 pm

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Isn't the Temple described at the very beginning of OAR? Well not the VERY beginning, but it's definitely described in the first scene set in "modern day" Safehold.

Namely, some details stand out:

- It's got a big dome coated in armorplast. Langhorne's Scepter crowns the dome.

- The main entrance leads to a big room (I forget what its called) under the dome. Skylights and shafts with mirrors let sunlight in. The floor has a map of Safehold, and is ALSO coated with several inches of armorplast. This area is a major traffic area with people coming and going, especially since this is where pilgrims visit to worship.

- From this central room, multiple corridors branch off into various wings containing the offices where the actual running of the Church is done. Presumably, the Vicars' residential area is in one of these wings.
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Re: What does the Temple look like?
Post by Cartref   » Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:05 pm

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I had always though of the Temple as being a structure in the middle of the city surrounded by other building.

There are suggestions through out the various books that the various orders are headquartered in other buildings, not the central temple.

Also with the assassinations of the various vicars, it was implied that some were killed in their residences and by implication those residences were not in the Temple building.

As for the guards barracks, there is no reason for them to be in the temple building, although it is possible.

Just my 2 cents worth
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Re: What does the Temple look like?
Post by Tonto Silerheels   » Mon Sep 08, 2014 9:09 pm

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Tanstaafl wrote:

But what do we really know about it?

I recall that Clyntahn's office is on the corner on the fifth floor. From that we can conclude that the Temple has at least six storeys, provided the floor above the ground floor is the first floor, as is the British method. If the American method is used, then we can only conclude that it has at least five stories.

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Re: What does the Temple look like?
Post by saber964   » Mon Sep 08, 2014 9:33 pm

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Cartref wrote:I had always though of the Temple as being a structure in the middle of the city surrounded by other building.

There are suggestions through out the various books that the various orders are headquartered in other buildings, not the central temple.

Also with the assassinations of the various vicars, it was implied that some were killed in their residences and by implication those residences were not in the Temple building.

As for the guards barracks, there is no reason for them to be in the temple building, although it is possible.

Just my 2 cents worth

The Vicars in question were keeping separate residents in Zion for their nefarious activities. I don't exactly see a pios acting vicar who is a pedophil prading little girls and boys through his temple apartment (somebody bound to notice).
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Re: What does the Temple look like?
Post by lyonheart   » Tue Sep 09, 2014 12:44 am

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Hi Cartref,

Welcome to the forums, enjoy your favorite simulated beverage on the simulated forum. ;)

Whether our image is based on St Peter's or Hagia Sophia etc, given federation tech it could easily be several times their size [forex 8X], and the reference to the wings probably refers to the vicars quarters that are close by say 20-30 or 40-50 yards etc and may have covered walkways to the temple, but all of the temple complex including the Plaza of Martyrs in front is above the huge basement with the 19 different still operating power sources that supports everything above, being the true foundation or architectural marvel of the temple.

Although I've always been curious how the food is processed and prepared, the furniture replaced or repaired, etc.

Perhaps Seijin Khody's journals Spanish entries record his trips to the temple and a basement layout, with some explanation of the defenses that enable OWL to create sensors that can get close or enter, including burrowers that can tunnel and monitor some of the basement operations.

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[quote="Cartref"]I had always though of the Temple as being a structure in the middle of the city surrounded by other building.

There are suggestions through out the various books that the various orders are headquartered in other buildings, not the central temple.

Also with the assassinations of the various vicars, it was implied that some were killed in their residences and by implication those residences were not in the Temple building.

As for the guards barracks, there is no reason for them to be in the temple building, although it is possible.

Just my 2 cents worth[/quote]
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Re: What does the Temple look like?
Post by Cartref   » Tue Sep 09, 2014 1:22 am

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Hi Lyonheart,

I have been reading the Weber Forum for quite some time, its just that I rarely post.

Very interested reader though

Cheers & beers
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Re: What does the Temple look like?
Post by evilauthor   » Tue Sep 09, 2014 1:30 am

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lyonheart wrote:Although I've always been curious how the food is processed and prepared, the furniture replaced or repaired, etc.


Oh, that's easy.

The food is imported to Zion and the Temple from outlying farms with the possibility that certain delicacies are imported at great cost. The Temple kitchens are likely "miracles" of Federation technology, at least insofar that the stoves and ovens are likely electric and never need to burn anything, although I doubt there are any microwaves. And of course faucets provide hot water on demand. There might even be knives and other utensils which never dull and never corrode or rust. With those caveats, the food is likely prepared like food is all over Zion and the rest of Safehold.

Furniture if they aren't "holy artifact" originals like wooden chairs that shape themselves to the person sitting in them are luxury goods purchased from craftsmen. Only the best for rich and powerful Vicars after all.
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