Rawb wrote:Infantry mortars are currently serving about the same function as machine guns would.
And don't forget the introduction of rifle grenades.
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Machine Guns in Safehold
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by evilauthor
» Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:08 am
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And don't forget the introduction of rifle grenades. |
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by Maldorian
» Thu Dec 03, 2015 7:48 am
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Maybe no Maschine guns, but what about assault rifles? An assault rifle doesn´t need a automatic mode to be more effective than a normal rifle. The automatic reload is the Point!
In world war one the britain´s had not so much Maschine guns like the Germans, but their rifles reloaded automaticly, so they were eaquall in efficenc to the Germans. |
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by Dauntless
» Thu Dec 03, 2015 8:58 am
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the M96 is magazine fed and i belive almost automatic.
i do believe it was loosely modelled on the lee enfield, which was the standard british rifle for that era. so differences of course but the basic design is comparable |
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by evilauthor
» Thu Dec 03, 2015 12:30 pm
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IIRC, an actual semi-auto rifle isn't really doable until Charis switches fully from black powder to smokeless. Otherwise black powder fouling will cause all kinds of jamming issues.
The current Charisian rifle is bolt action which is much simpler and more robust. |
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by Alistair
» Thu Dec 03, 2015 6:37 pm
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There is also something to be said for keeping some powder dry for the next war which will certainly happen.
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by Laenole
» Mon Dec 07, 2015 12:25 am
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Actually there is a good alternative to the volley gun doable as a brass less gun. It is the Agar "Coffee Grinder" multi-chamber gun. It uses multiple chambers loaded by hand and put into a hopper. The chambers are feed into the rear of the barrel, seated, and fired by a horizontally operated crank (like a coffee grinder). The US army ordered 120 of them that saw limited use in the Civil War. See Wiki. The chambers do need percussion caps. Rate of fire was 120 rounds per minute sustained by a forced air cooled jacket. The barrels were made with quick replacement by spare barrels like modern machine guns to keep rate of fire up. It would need enough barrels and crew to load them to maintain the rate.
There were actually a number of repeating flintlocks. Joseph Belton offered the Continental Congress a 7 shot repeating flintlock. There was also the similar Cookson Repeater from around the same period. There main problem was there cost. But with Charis's manufacturing and quality control these problems could be reduced. These used paper wrapped powder charges with separate ball and if I read correctly separate primer powder reservoir. Any gas driven system would need a brass cartridge and increase supply difficulties. "All that glitters is not gold" Laenole |
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by Darman
» Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:12 pm
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You are referring to the professional soldiers of the British Army during the 1914 invasion of Belgium, where each British battalion had 2 machineguns, whereas, if my memory serves me, the Germans had 2 machineguns per company. And yes, absolutely the British rifleman's high and accurate rate of fire did occasion the comment by a German officer witnessing the attacking waves of German riflemen being scythed down that the German officer believed that the British had many many machineguns. This was not a result of any sort of magical weapon: the British and German bolt-action rifles were roughly equivalent, it had far more to do with the British Army's emphasis on its professional soldiers learning musketry skills that it perceived to be lacking during the Boer Wars; namely that in the Boer Wars British soldiers couldn't hit the broad side of a barn at any sort of range compared to the Boer commandos they were facing, and additionally that a high rate of fire was required in order to effectively use fire and maneuver tactics to get troops closer to the Boers to engage them at better odds. This resulted in the average rifleman being taught to operate his weapon quickly and accurately at ranges up to 300 yards, whereas in the Continental system the average soldier was a draftee or reservist who did not get marksman training anywhere near as frequently as his British counterpart. |
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by Henry Brown
» Mon Dec 07, 2015 4:07 pm
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I think it is more than loosely modelled. I got the impression that it was a fairly close copy of the Lee-Enfield, other than the caliber. |
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by Dauntless
» Mon Dec 07, 2015 5:02 pm
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it does sound very similar to the Lee-enfield but as i understand it most rifles of that era are much the same regardless of where they were made.
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by Henry Brown
» Mon Dec 07, 2015 7:23 pm
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Yes and no. All nations did use bolt-action rifles in the late 19th century/early 20th century period. So in general, they are the same. But they did differ in the specifics. In particular, the British Lee-Enfield was know for having a bolt design which allowed it to be operated quickly and easily. This bolt, combined with a 10 round magazine allowed a fairly high rate of fire. By comparison, the German Mauser rifle had a different bolt design. It was durable and accurate but it could not be worked as quickly, which leads to a lower rate of fire. |
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